Microsoft talks about its new services strategy

I’m watching Ray Ozzie on stage in San Francisco. All Microsoft employees can watch it live. I LOVE our intranet!

Dave Winer is blogging.
So is Dan Farber of ZDNet.
So is Michael Arrington of TechCrunch.
So is Todd Bishop of Seattle PI.
Michael Gartenberg gave his analysis.
Richard MacManus gives his analysis.
Niall Kennedy is blogging too.

They are showing off Windows Live. New URL is http://www.live.com . Updated: it doesn’t yet work completely on Firefox or other browsers. They promise more support is coming. Sorry.

http://ideas.live.com and http://microsoftgadgets.com are two other sites that were demoed. Sean Alexander has a brief note about those.

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  5. funny - I don’t love our intranet at all, and the feeling is mutual. I was logged in early for the webcast, and saw almost 5 minutes before it puked and died. I reconnected a few times and gave up.

    I don’t want to sound negative, but I think we have scalability issues :}.

  6. funny - I don’t love our intranet at all, and the feeling is mutual. I was logged in early for the webcast, and saw almost 5 minutes before it puked and died. I reconnected a few times and gave up.

    I don’t want to sound negative, but I think we have scalability issues :}.

  7. Start.com refactored? this is Windows live?
    The site is all messed up, i click to join the Mail beta program and take me to http://ideas.live.com/whatis.aspx, where I can’t do nothing more than press home (back to the same place).

    I can’t do nothing good with Windows Live, sorry.

  8. Start.com refactored? this is Windows live?
    The site is all messed up, i click to join the Mail beta program and take me to http://ideas.live.com/whatis.aspx, where I can’t do nothing more than press home (back to the same place).

    I can’t do nothing good with Windows Live, sorry.

  9. Wow!!! Windows Live is a do-it-yourself portal builder with a search engine.

    I’m totally blown away by the orginality of this concept. Pure genius. To whom to I give my credit card number and password to my bank accounts and all my meager investment accounts?

    Way to go Microsoft.

  10. Wow!!! Windows Live is a do-it-yourself portal builder with a search engine.

    I’m totally blown away by the orginality of this concept. Pure genius. To whom to I give my credit card number and password to my bank accounts and all my meager investment accounts?

    Way to go Microsoft.

  11. When loaded in Firefox (Windows), at the top of the page, you see:

    Firefox Users
    Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient :-)

    Very cute, I wonder what it does in Safari?

  12. When loaded in Firefox (Windows), at the top of the page, you see:

    Firefox Users
    Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient :-)

    Very cute, I wonder what it does in Safari?

  13. Safari version 2.0.2, the latest version, shows simply a logo, an edit field, and a search button. Type in “google” and see some real content and utility.

  14. Safari version 2.0.2, the latest version, shows simply a logo, an edit field, and a search button. Type in “google” and see some real content and utility.

  17. Yeah, Safari can pass the ACID 2 test, but it can’t render Microsofts live.com apparently.

    So once again you can “interoperability” for Microsoft means “interoperability with all of our products”.

  18. Yeah, Safari can pass the ACID 2 test, but it can’t render Microsofts live.com apparently.

    So once again you can “interoperability” for Microsoft means “interoperability with all of our products”.

  19. Windows Live isn’t a website. It’s a new brand, a new strategy. It’s essentially a new division of Microsoft.

    A large section of MSN is being transformed into Windows Live. But there’s more than just that. We’re going down a different path than the rest of MSN. We’re super-focused on the user. We’re all about ad-driven services and software that connects to those services.

    Leah on the Messenger Live blog has a good explanation:

    http://spaces.msn.com/members/MessengerSays/Blog/cns!1pa8Iikfy0xU3xf4W911Jq4Q!147.entry

  20. Windows Live isn’t a website. It’s a new brand, a new strategy. It’s essentially a new division of Microsoft.

    A large section of MSN is being transformed into Windows Live. But there’s more than just that. We’re going down a different path than the rest of MSN. We’re super-focused on the user. We’re all about ad-driven services and software that connects to those services.

    Leah on the Messenger Live blog has a good explanation:

    http://spaces.msn.com/members/MessengerSays/Blog/cns!1pa8Iikfy0xU3xf4W911Jq4Q!147.entry

  23. “We’re all about ad-driven services and software that connects to those services.”

    We’re supposed to be psyched about this because you’re trying to sell us something???

  24. “We’re all about ad-driven services and software that connects to those services.”

    We’re supposed to be psyched about this because you’re trying to sell us something???

  25. I guess it’s hard to explain since I can’t really show you all the amazing stuff we’re working on.

    I never expected that people would jump with excitement at the fact that some MSN products were changing their names.

    But if you watched the demo out of San Francisco today you would have seen some pretty impressive stuff. And they didn’t even show the coolest stuff yet.

    Today’s announcements were the START of something much bigger.

  26. I guess it’s hard to explain since I can’t really show you all the amazing stuff we’re working on.

    I never expected that people would jump with excitement at the fact that some MSN products were changing their names.

    But if you watched the demo out of San Francisco today you would have seen some pretty impressive stuff. And they didn’t even show the coolest stuff yet.

    Today’s announcements were the START of something much bigger.

  27. I don’t think advertising business model can drive and dominate all area, a combination of service(advertising model) and product (traditional model) seems pretty make sense to me.

    I don’t expect to get free Microsoft Office, but may be I can start to expect to pay one time fees and life time free upgrade with some advertising during patching process .. Hopefully the Office one time fees will be dropped as well with some targeted advertising sponsored :) Who Knows?

    I think is a right move for Microsoft and for the end users wise I don’t see any negative impact yet.

  28. I don’t think advertising business model can drive and dominate all area, a combination of service(advertising model) and product (traditional model) seems pretty make sense to me.

    I don’t expect to get free Microsoft Office, but may be I can start to expect to pay one time fees and life time free upgrade with some advertising during patching process .. Hopefully the Office one time fees will be dropped as well with some targeted advertising sponsored :) Who Knows?

    I think is a right move for Microsoft and for the end users wise I don’t see any negative impact yet.

  31. This is it?! This is the equivalent of Gates 95 memo?!

    Blahahahahahahahahaha.

    Microsoft is in much worse shape than I thought.

  32. This is it?! This is the equivalent of Gates 95 memo?!

    Blahahahahahahahahaha.

    Microsoft is in much worse shape than I thought.

  35. Man, I don’t understand that big bang - there are companies doing already pretty good business selling services online or living of ad income. A bookmark service online? Remember blink 6 years ago?
    Brandon, don’t be surprised that people are laughing. Sometimes less is more and MS should realize that…

  36. yawn.

    This is yet another centralized service. Give us something new folks, like federated software services that we can move around from behind the firewall to the outside.

  37. Man, I don’t understand that big bang - there are companies doing already pretty good business selling services online or living of ad income. A bookmark service online? Remember blink 6 years ago?
    Brandon, don’t be surprised that people are laughing. Sometimes less is more and MS should realize that…

  38. yawn.

    This is yet another centralized service. Give us something new folks, like federated software services that we can move around from behind the firewall to the outside.

  39. Typical, boring, why-do-we-even-bother, Microsoft FUD. Just wait all you doubters. There’s “pretty impressive stuff” coming, and coming, and coming. What planet do you people live on? Do you really think that the rest of the world is standing still in awe of your “pretty impressive stuff?”

  40. Typical, boring, why-do-we-even-bother, Microsoft FUD. Just wait all you doubters. There’s “pretty impressive stuff” coming, and coming, and coming. What planet do you people live on? Do you really think that the rest of the world is standing still in awe of your “pretty impressive stuff?”

  41. Maybe they should have waited until have this shit actually did something useful? You launch something as big as Win95 or .NET and you do it with a crippled start.com re-skin and a bunch of placeholder pages telling people that some day you’ll have your head out of your ass?

    Silly. We now go back to our regularly schedule and already usable programming. I think Jason & Co at 37s are their own variety of windbags, but at least they know that you launch a new service with a -ing service, not with a keynote.

    Scoble, I take it back, you’re possibly not the dumbest jackass working at msft.

  42. Maybe they should have waited until have this shit actually did something useful? You launch something as big as Win95 or .NET and you do it with a crippled start.com re-skin and a bunch of placeholder pages telling people that some day you’ll have your head out of your ass?

    Silly. We now go back to our regularly schedule and already usable programming. I think Jason & Co at 37s are their own variety of windbags, but at least they know that you launch a new service with a -ing service, not with a keynote.

    Scoble, I take it back, you’re possibly not the dumbest jackass working at msft.

  45. Brandon, maybe YOU are excited over this, but to the rest of the world outside of you and Scoble, I sincerely doubt it.

    (1) Why does MS feel compelled to have these splashy announcements of complete vaporware? When will they learn?

    (2) If you want to battle the “lock in” comments, how about actually waiting to demo something until it runs on something other than Windows and MSIE?

    (3) If you want to battle the “licensing confusion” comments, how about being upfront with the costs for the demo?

    (4) If you want to battle the “copycat” comments, how about being innovative instead of putting a MS stamp on something other companies have been doing for a few years?

    (5) If you want to stop the laughing and actually earn some positive feedback, how about (a) having something more than a half-finished buggy demo, and (b) quit the hyped-up comparisons to 1995 while showing off this half-baked concept.

    Sure, kudos to MS for trying to stay up with the times. Maybe in another 12 months they’ll have something concrete, secure, and hell - even usable. But this?

    Microsoft deserves every single criticism they are getting for this demo…. it was WAY too premature.

  46. Brandon, maybe YOU are excited over this, but to the rest of the world outside of you and Scoble, I sincerely doubt it.

    (1) Why does MS feel compelled to have these splashy announcements of complete vaporware? When will they learn?

    (2) If you want to battle the “lock in” comments, how about actually waiting to demo something until it runs on something other than Windows and MSIE?

    (3) If you want to battle the “licensing confusion” comments, how about being upfront with the costs for the demo?

    (4) If you want to battle the “copycat” comments, how about being innovative instead of putting a MS stamp on something other companies have been doing for a few years?

    (5) If you want to stop the laughing and actually earn some positive feedback, how about (a) having something more than a half-finished buggy demo, and (b) quit the hyped-up comparisons to 1995 while showing off this half-baked concept.

    Sure, kudos to MS for trying to stay up with the times. Maybe in another 12 months they’ll have something concrete, secure, and hell - even usable. But this?

    Microsoft deserves every single criticism they are getting for this demo…. it was WAY too premature.

  47. http://www.officelive.com

    This is another interesting offering. It might not be interesting to some of you but I think it can be a killer app for small businesses.

    “Microsoft Office Live will provide your company with its own domain name, Web site, and e-mail accounts for free.”

    Yahoo Small Business - is dead.

  48. http://www.officelive.com

    This is another interesting offering. It might not be interesting to some of you but I think it can be a killer app for small businesses.

    “Microsoft Office Live will provide your company with its own domain name, Web site, and e-mail accounts for free.”

    Yahoo Small Business - is dead.

  51. Dave - I completely disagree with you. I think the rest of the world is excited (maybe not some of the Microsoft trashers) maybe a little unsure on what to expect for some of these services, but hey at least Microsoft is coming out there stating what they plan to do and are welcoming feedback - Unlike google which is all secretive and just pops a suprise to everyone every other week.

  52. Dave - I completely disagree with you. I think the rest of the world is excited (maybe not some of the Microsoft trashers) maybe a little unsure on what to expect for some of these services, but hey at least Microsoft is coming out there stating what they plan to do and are welcoming feedback - Unlike google which is all secretive and just pops a suprise to everyone every other week.

  53. It really feels like the people on top of Microsoft do not use anything but a Windows Machine. Robert has been as much an inside evangelizer as an outside evangelizer. He points out to the people inside what is happening. I said it before, Microsoft needs to hire dozens of youngster that uses what is on fashion and tells Microsoft why what they are doing sucks, before the world sees it. live.com doesn’t even work with a Pocket PC! Why would Microsoft do that?

    I find it impressive that Microsoft does not realize the importance of supporting the Mac. Web services, new online ideas, rarely really take off until Mac support is added. USB, Digital Music, Movies on portable devices, etc. Napster (the real one, not the Windows only iTunes imitator) released a Mac Beta and its numbers exploded… Why? Because Mac users are early adopters and have really big mouths…

  54. It really feels like the people on top of Microsoft do not use anything but a Windows Machine. Robert has been as much an inside evangelizer as an outside evangelizer. He points out to the people inside what is happening. I said it before, Microsoft needs to hire dozens of youngster that uses what is on fashion and tells Microsoft why what they are doing sucks, before the world sees it. live.com doesn’t even work with a Pocket PC! Why would Microsoft do that?

    I find it impressive that Microsoft does not realize the importance of supporting the Mac. Web services, new online ideas, rarely really take off until Mac support is added. USB, Digital Music, Movies on portable devices, etc. Napster (the real one, not the Windows only iTunes imitator) released a Mac Beta and its numbers exploded… Why? Because Mac users are early adopters and have really big mouths…

  55. Microsoft becomes TeleInterActive

    Microsoft unveiled new Internet initiatives, including an online version of its Office suite and a service called Windows Live that will incorporate email, blogging and instant-messaging tools.
    — TECHNOLOGY ALERT from The Wall Street Journal

    Wow. …

  56. Microsoft Live Web 2.0

    There was enough expectation for today’s Microsoft announcement and as reported at Marketwatch it is just the beginning of Microsoft’s 5-year big bet iteration towards software as a service.
    You can check out some of the coverage via Scoble, my pref…

  58. Buzzkill…strategy taxing on acid, bored programmers trying to eternally jumpstart Web Services, rebranding serious time. Lucky for MFST, in that their competitors are inept, as the sheer amount of junk falling from the Redmond sky is amazing. More ‘just you wait’, ‘it will be the greatest’ vapor FUD. Haven’t they learnt a darn thing from PDC 2003? Geesus. “Hard to explain” and “can’t show us”, why bother then? Visit Missouri and SHOW ME. And I am darned tired of Jupiter’s shrill Microsoft backpacking, sick of Jupiter in general, this isn’t 1999, gawd. Michael Gartenberg knows where the checks are coming from. But Ozzie should be ashamed to froth up such mere rebranded Office Live rot. Now if they Groove this up, ok, maybe…

    Man, gotta hand it to MFST, they can’t ever launch anything that has any sizzle (well minus the “GDP of a small European country” Xbox 360, but even that only has a brief holdout until PS3).

    I think Jason & Co at 37s are their own variety of windbags

    Seconded. Motion carried.

  59. Live and kicking back

    Microsoft just relaunched some warmed over bits of MSN sporting a new AJAX UI. The design is pleasing and overall the site is well executed. MS may have been thinking about it for some time, but I’m sure Google helped concentrate minds
    From …

  60. Buzzkill…strategy taxing on acid, bored programmers trying to eternally jumpstart Web Services, rebranding serious time. Lucky for MFST, in that their competitors are inept, as the sheer amount of junk falling from the Redmond sky is amazing. More ‘just you wait’, ‘it will be the greatest’ vapor FUD. Haven’t they learnt a darn thing from PDC 2003? Geesus. “Hard to explain” and “can’t show us”, why bother then? Visit Missouri and SHOW ME. And I am darned tired of Jupiter’s shrill Microsoft backpacking, sick of Jupiter in general, this isn’t 1999, gawd. Michael Gartenberg knows where the checks are coming from. But Ozzie should be ashamed to froth up such mere rebranded Office Live rot. Now if they Groove this up, ok, maybe…

    Man, gotta hand it to MFST, they can’t ever launch anything that has any sizzle (well minus the “GDP of a small European country” Xbox 360, but even that only has a brief holdout until PS3).

    I think Jason & Co at 37s are their own variety of windbags

    Seconded. Motion carried.

  61. Ad scapola:

    This is another interesting offering. It might not be interesting to some of you but I think it can be a killer app for small businesses.

    “Microsoft Office Live will provide your company with its own domain name, Web site, and e-mail accounts for free.”

    You cannot be serious. You either woke up 2 minutes ago after sleeping for 10 years or you don’t have any clue what’s going on in IT world these days…

  62. Ad scapola:

    This is another interesting offering. It might not be interesting to some of you but I think it can be a killer app for small businesses.

    “Microsoft Office Live will provide your company with its own domain name, Web site, and e-mail accounts for free.”

    You cannot be serious. You either woke up 2 minutes ago after sleeping for 10 years or you don’t have any clue what’s going on in IT world these days…

  63. Hey Robert, is there going to be a public stream/download for the webcast?

    I think if people could see some of those demos they’d warm up to Live a bit better.

    Chris - this isn’t vaporware. The plan is to have a “rolling thunder” of releases. This isn’t Cairo. We have stuff you’ll get your hands on *SOON*.

  64. Hey Robert, is there going to be a public stream/download for the webcast?

    I think if people could see some of those demos they’d warm up to Live a bit better.

    Chris - this isn’t vaporware. The plan is to have a “rolling thunder” of releases. This isn’t Cairo. We have stuff you’ll get your hands on *SOON*.

  65. scapola, but you just said it yourself… when Google pops a surprise on the world, it actually is something more concrete than anything MS has been doing the last 4 years.

    I remember the days when MS would actually announce .NET Framework 1.0 betas and there was something I could actually download - for free - and play with. This? I checked out link Brandon so nicely gave us above….

    A blog. By an MSN team member. Words.

    Confusing words:

    “Windows Live Messenger and MSN Messenger will not be two separate clients in the sense that you cannot have them both on your computer at once. It’s one or the other, just like MSN Messenger 7.0 and MSN Messenger 7.5”

    Fear-inducing hype words:

    “This is not the end of MSN Messenger, but a Metamorphosis. Come with us on this journey, it will be worth it.”

    More confusing words:

    “I’m embarrassed to even have to talk about this, but for now, it’s still an issue: Windows Live Messenger and Windows Messenger are still not the same thing. Just pick the one you like to use, and close the other one up, you’re not meant to run them both, one is just a bigger brighter flashier version of the other.”

    But my favorite? The words I’ve come to expect from MS? The ones that you rarely hear from other companies?

    “Windows Live Messenger is not out yet - but I can promise that as soon as it is, we’ll let you know.”

    BTW…. Dave Winer mentioned the internet went down halfway through this demo. Is this true? Doesn’t THAT just excite the heck out of everyone?

    scapola, don’t get me wrong. I’m not a biased MS trasher. I used to be an MCSD. Still do some professional work with MS technology.

    I wish them the best. But when they want - like Scoble has hinted - to dispell various criticisms like “lock in” and “overhype”, they absolutely need to begin learning from their past mistakes - like PDC ’03 and those fabled pillars of Longhorn.

  66. scapola, but you just said it yourself… when Google pops a surprise on the world, it actually is something more concrete than anything MS has been doing the last 4 years.

    I remember the days when MS would actually announce .NET Framework 1.0 betas and there was something I could actually download - for free - and play with. This? I checked out link Brandon so nicely gave us above….

    A blog. By an MSN team member. Words.

    Confusing words:

    “Windows Live Messenger and MSN Messenger will not be two separate clients in the sense that you cannot have them both on your computer at once. It’s one or the other, just like MSN Messenger 7.0 and MSN Messenger 7.5”

    Fear-inducing hype words:

    “This is not the end of MSN Messenger, but a Metamorphosis. Come with us on this journey, it will be worth it.”

    More confusing words:

    “I’m embarrassed to even have to talk about this, but for now, it’s still an issue: Windows Live Messenger and Windows Messenger are still not the same thing. Just pick the one you like to use, and close the other one up, you’re not meant to run them both, one is just a bigger brighter flashier version of the other.”

    But my favorite? The words I’ve come to expect from MS? The ones that you rarely hear from other companies?

    “Windows Live Messenger is not out yet - but I can promise that as soon as it is, we’ll let you know.”

    BTW…. Dave Winer mentioned the internet went down halfway through this demo. Is this true? Doesn’t THAT just excite the heck out of everyone?

    scapola, don’t get me wrong. I’m not a biased MS trasher. I used to be an MCSD. Still do some professional work with MS technology.

    I wish them the best. But when they want - like Scoble has hinted - to dispell various criticisms like “lock in” and “overhype”, they absolutely need to begin learning from their past mistakes - like PDC ’03 and those fabled pillars of Longhorn.

  67. Leah on the Messenger Live blog has a good explanation…

    Eh? Yet another MFST twizzle-headed Valley Girl with a blog speaking like a 14 year old? “We’re told to keep doing what we’re doing, just be aware it’ll be called Windows Live Messenger instead of MSN Messenger 8.0”. Not to mention the 3 ‘Buffy’ and 2 ‘Angel’ references, but see it’s different as, it “unites the online experience”. Spare me. Microsoft-centric web rot and start-uppy globs, all in one place, wheee.

    Man this is GREAT PARODY material…only she’s halfway serious.

    “Now you can call your friends, drive your car, pay for lunch and photograph it too! listen to The Offspring, freshen your breath all with one unified device!”…Oh sad, metamorphosis makes me think of butterflies. Sniff.

  68. Leah on the Messenger Live blog has a good explanation…

    Eh? Yet another MFST twizzle-headed Valley Girl with a blog speaking like a 14 year old? “We’re told to keep doing what we’re doing, just be aware it’ll be called Windows Live Messenger instead of MSN Messenger 8.0”. Not to mention the 3 ‘Buffy’ and 2 ‘Angel’ references, but see it’s different as, it “unites the online experience”. Spare me. Microsoft-centric web rot and start-uppy globs, all in one place, wheee.

    Man this is GREAT PARODY material…only she’s halfway serious.

    “Now you can call your friends, drive your car, pay for lunch and photograph it too! listen to The Offspring, freshen your breath all with one unified device!”…Oh sad, metamorphosis makes me think of butterflies. Sniff.

  69. ‘The plan is to have a “rolling thunder” of releases. This isn’t Cairo. We have stuff you’ll get your hands on *SOON*.’

    Ah yes. Where have I heard this kind of talk before?

    Oh, and please - PLEASE - stop with the “rolling thunder” terms. Sounds way too similar to “hailstorm”. I really don’t think you want to do that.

  70. ‘The plan is to have a “rolling thunder” of releases. This isn’t Cairo. We have stuff you’ll get your hands on *SOON*.’

    Ah yes. Where have I heard this kind of talk before?

    Oh, and please - PLEASE - stop with the “rolling thunder” terms. Sounds way too similar to “hailstorm”. I really don’t think you want to do that.

  71. Richard, why don’t tell me what’s going on in IT right now? Tell me who else has that offering right now. Last I checked everyhting costed lotsa of money (per month per user) - an dall the free stuff is either search or rss, nothing else. And don’t tell me gmail is the solution to small businesses because it ain’t.

  72. Richard, why don’t tell me what’s going on in IT right now? Tell me who else has that offering right now. Last I checked everyhting costed lotsa of money (per month per user) - an dall the free stuff is either search or rss, nothing else. And don’t tell me gmail is the solution to small businesses because it ain’t.

  75. Scoble promised Shock and Awe after PDC and all we got was block and bore (promises of the future and nothing more). Today we are offered Live Software that certainly was dead (the demo crashed if you have not heard) Probably like most of us, I have read so many comments - all negative - about this announcement. The funniest was that Live spent backwards equals EVIL 😉

    But combine Live.com, with Microsoft’s Infocards, AdCenter and Gadgets along with improved Search and you get a very interesting personalised information model. It certainly was a poor start today but it might just be a great finish with Microsoft laughing last if they manage to pull it all together better than Google or Yahoo!

  76. Scoble promised Shock and Awe after PDC and all we got was block and bore (promises of the future and nothing more). Today we are offered Live Software that certainly was dead (the demo crashed if you have not heard) Probably like most of us, I have read so many comments - all negative - about this announcement. The funniest was that Live spent backwards equals EVIL 😉

    But combine Live.com, with Microsoft’s Infocards, AdCenter and Gadgets along with improved Search and you get a very interesting personalised information model. It certainly was a poor start today but it might just be a great finish with Microsoft laughing last if they manage to pull it all together better than Google or Yahoo!

  77. Todd says it all…

    Network problems tripped up some of the key demonstrations, causing repeated delays, some of them several minues long, as the assembled reporters and analysts waited to see what Microsoft had to show.

    Business portal and services, no thanks, I will stick with Salesforce. Webby stuff frothing around, and now, thunked together in light of the Sun/Google announcement, be my take. Hahah. What a generic bag of tricks, buggy too. Wrapping Search Engines with web toys on an ad-based platter, but not so much as to replace Office itself.

    DOA. Or in that MSN Spaces sphere of walled-off dubious stats “millions and millions”.

  78. Todd says it all…

    Network problems tripped up some of the key demonstrations, causing repeated delays, some of them several minues long, as the assembled reporters and analysts waited to see what Microsoft had to show.

    Business portal and services, no thanks, I will stick with Salesforce. Webby stuff frothing around, and now, thunked together in light of the Sun/Google announcement, be my take. Hahah. What a generic bag of tricks, buggy too. Wrapping Search Engines with web toys on an ad-based platter, but not so much as to replace Office itself.

    DOA. Or in that MSN Spaces sphere of walled-off dubious stats “millions and millions”.

  79. Not Sure how this product fits into the overall schematics of SOA! Would love the “try, use, buy” paradigm. Where can I download ?

    Secondly, handling of outbound POTS ? What was that agin in the world of VoIP ?

    Chances are that the spwaned product has some features which may be enablers for small biz units. But is the revenue bucket get filled in by these zillions of mom and pop shops ? Or are seeing a product that is aligned to the ‘long tail’ ??

    I dunna… Jus .. Jus maybe there is more then what is beeing seen. Afterall never judge a book by its cover !!

  80. Not Sure how this product fits into the overall schematics of SOA! Would love the “try, use, buy” paradigm. Where can I download ?

    Secondly, handling of outbound POTS ? What was that agin in the world of VoIP ?

    Chances are that the spwaned product has some features which may be enablers for small biz units. But is the revenue bucket get filled in by these zillions of mom and pop shops ? Or are seeing a product that is aligned to the ‘long tail’ ??

    I dunna… Jus .. Jus maybe there is more then what is beeing seen. Afterall never judge a book by its cover !!

  81. “Rolling Thunder” - for those who don’t know, that is a reference to the carpet bombing of Vietnam from 1965 to 1968. So instead of killing us with hail, MSFT now wants to kill us with “death from above.” Where is Sgt. Kilgore when you need him?

    This is classic. I opened up live.com with my Firefox browser and got a “be patient” message. I went to Leah’s blog and thought I was reading the work of a college intern. This is how one of the biggest tech companies in the world rolls out major new advances? Laughable!

  82. “Rolling Thunder” - for those who don’t know, that is a reference to the carpet bombing of Vietnam from 1965 to 1968. So instead of killing us with hail, MSFT now wants to kill us with “death from above.” Where is Sgt. Kilgore when you need him?

    This is classic. I opened up live.com with my Firefox browser and got a “be patient” message. I went to Leah’s blog and thought I was reading the work of a college intern. This is how one of the biggest tech companies in the world rolls out major new advances? Laughable!

  83. Brandon,

    I feel for you man. It’s gotta be tough to work so hard and find out people think it’s so mediocre.

    See, this is why Apple is kicking your ass when it comes to buzz when releasing new products. Imagine how many people would be using this if you had said “And you can start using it NOW!” instead of “We’ll have cool stuff for you SOON!”. How many people, who didn’t even own a video iPod, bought a video from the ITMS the day they were announced? answer: A whole lot. Live.com doesn’t even appear to have all the functionalty that start.com ALREADY DOES! I mean, at least start.com works in FIREFOX! Why couldn’t the live.com team have walked over and talked to Scott I? Maybe borrowed a little bit of code to make live.com work with Firefox? That’s the biggest disappointment. The Start.com people already did some of the heavy lifting for live.com and they DIDN’T EVEN USE IT!.

    “GAH! IDIOTS!”

  84. Brandon,

    I feel for you man. It’s gotta be tough to work so hard and find out people think it’s so mediocre.

    See, this is why Apple is kicking your ass when it comes to buzz when releasing new products. Imagine how many people would be using this if you had said “And you can start using it NOW!” instead of “We’ll have cool stuff for you SOON!”. How many people, who didn’t even own a video iPod, bought a video from the ITMS the day they were announced? answer: A whole lot. Live.com doesn’t even appear to have all the functionalty that start.com ALREADY DOES! I mean, at least start.com works in FIREFOX! Why couldn’t the live.com team have walked over and talked to Scott I? Maybe borrowed a little bit of code to make live.com work with Firefox? That’s the biggest disappointment. The Start.com people already did some of the heavy lifting for live.com and they DIDN’T EVEN USE IT!.

    “GAH! IDIOTS!”

  85. Quick question … how can Microsoft think that they can be taken seriously in the online world without Firefox support? I know they say it’s coming soon, but who made the decision to show it without it?

    Imagine the press that could have been garnered had they demoed something that could run on Firefox.

    Yes, I understand they need to protect IE, but you can’t have it both ways. The best advantage of having things online is making them available from anywhere.

  86. Quick question … how can Microsoft think that they can be taken seriously in the online world without Firefox support? I know they say it’s coming soon, but who made the decision to show it without it?

    Imagine the press that could have been garnered had they demoed something that could run on Firefox.

    Yes, I understand they need to protect IE, but you can’t have it both ways. The best advantage of having things online is making them available from anywhere.

  87. Schlock and yawn.

    Here’s the silly part. The new gen of web mail that the hotmail team has been doing is actually pretty hot. Some of these other services may turn out to be winners.

    But the marketing and messaging just plain sucks.

    What does google do when it has a new cool app? It rolls it out as a beta (for 6 or 7 years), limits access via invite only or otherwise gets the party started without a lot of hollow rhetoric.

    The ship software.

    For all of Microsoft’s bluster, they roll out products via keynote with a buggy demo and then get blasted about it and end up later trying to figure out how to spin half-baked but decent products back towards the origin.

    Don’t tell the world about your new great hoohoo with a lot of false, 90’s-esque bluster. Just ship something great, listen to your customers: rinse, lather, repeat.

    With all the smart folks up there, does not at least one of them work in product strategy? (I think I just posed the rhetorical equivalent of an oxymoron.)

    I’m neutral, I think the market misses a lot of MSFT’s technical merit routinely. I thin MSFT makes life a lot harder for themselves-it’s like watching Intervention some days. But then i see another braindead launch like this and I think to myself, ‘you know, they deserve every last drop of it.’

  88. Schlock and yawn.

    Here’s the silly part. The new gen of web mail that the hotmail team has been doing is actually pretty hot. Some of these other services may turn out to be winners.

    But the marketing and messaging just plain sucks.

    What does google do when it has a new cool app? It rolls it out as a beta (for 6 or 7 years), limits access via invite only or otherwise gets the party started without a lot of hollow rhetoric.

    The ship software.

    For all of Microsoft’s bluster, they roll out products via keynote with a buggy demo and then get blasted about it and end up later trying to figure out how to spin half-baked but decent products back towards the origin.

    Don’t tell the world about your new great hoohoo with a lot of false, 90’s-esque bluster. Just ship something great, listen to your customers: rinse, lather, repeat.

    With all the smart folks up there, does not at least one of them work in product strategy? (I think I just posed the rhetorical equivalent of an oxymoron.)

    I’m neutral, I think the market misses a lot of MSFT’s technical merit routinely. I thin MSFT makes life a lot harder for themselves-it’s like watching Intervention some days. But then i see another braindead launch like this and I think to myself, ‘you know, they deserve every last drop of it.’

  91. Is it me or is Microsoft sounding a lot like Creative chasing after the iPod these days? Somebody has a strategy, we’ll copy it. We’ll beat you in a 2 quarters. Nope, we’ll switch strategies. Nope, we’ll rebrand it. Nope, we’ll steal their marketing and throw out some buzz words. Nope. Do we have a strategy? That’s our own? Nope, but others are succeeding… Must chase after them… Must copy them… We’ll still beat you!! Why have you stopped listening to us? Really, we swear, we’re great at this stuff and will elad this industry we just discovered. What? Someone else has been leading it already for 3 years? So what, we can copy everything they do and beat them… someday… somehow…

  92. Is it me or is Microsoft sounding a lot like Creative chasing after the iPod these days? Somebody has a strategy, we’ll copy it. We’ll beat you in a 2 quarters. Nope, we’ll switch strategies. Nope, we’ll rebrand it. Nope, we’ll steal their marketing and throw out some buzz words. Nope. Do we have a strategy? That’s our own? Nope, but others are succeeding… Must chase after them… Must copy them… We’ll still beat you!! Why have you stopped listening to us? Really, we swear, we’re great at this stuff and will elad this industry we just discovered. What? Someone else has been leading it already for 3 years? So what, we can copy everything they do and beat them… someday… somehow…

  95. This is amusing in the light of the default homepage for IE5Mac would crash and/or cause IE5 to lockup. They don’t even test their horrible creations on the latest versions of their horrible creations. They fixed it though, atleast that’s something.

  96. This is amusing in the light of the default homepage for IE5Mac would crash and/or cause IE5 to lockup. They don’t even test their horrible creations on the latest versions of their horrible creations. They fixed it though, atleast that’s something.

  97. Scott said, “I feel for you man. It’s gotta be tough to work so hard and find out people think it’s so mediocre.”

    Well, no one has seen what I’m working on (well, I work on 2 things right now, but yeah).

    But I know what you mean.

    Following Scoble’s example, I’ll say what I’m thinking…

    I’ve been super-excited about Windows Live for a while now. I think it’s going to be huge for Microsoft. I think it’s definitely the right way to go.

    That said, I was underwhelmed by what happened today. I was disappointed that Live.com shipped without Firefox support, even though I don’t use it. I was disappointed that the demos shown on the webcast (Messenger, Live Local, etc) weren’t made available for the public.

    I think Live.com needs some work still. And it definitely needs to tie-in better with the “Gadgets Gallery.” Oh, and there needs to be a better system for adding gadgets (other than “Copy and paste this link to the Advanced field for Gadgets under Add Content”…. yuck).

    That said, I’m still excited by “the plan.” I know that for you, the proof is in the proverbial pudding. But with all the brilliant, passionate people around these hallways and the aggressive ship schedule we have, the results are going to impress you.

  98. Scott said, “I feel for you man. It’s gotta be tough to work so hard and find out people think it’s so mediocre.”

    Well, no one has seen what I’m working on (well, I work on 2 things right now, but yeah).

    But I know what you mean.

    Following Scoble’s example, I’ll say what I’m thinking…

    I’ve been super-excited about Windows Live for a while now. I think it’s going to be huge for Microsoft. I think it’s definitely the right way to go.

    That said, I was underwhelmed by what happened today. I was disappointed that Live.com shipped without Firefox support, even though I don’t use it. I was disappointed that the demos shown on the webcast (Messenger, Live Local, etc) weren’t made available for the public.

    I think Live.com needs some work still. And it definitely needs to tie-in better with the “Gadgets Gallery.” Oh, and there needs to be a better system for adding gadgets (other than “Copy and paste this link to the Advanced field for Gadgets under Add Content”…. yuck).

    That said, I’m still excited by “the plan.” I know that for you, the proof is in the proverbial pudding. But with all the brilliant, passionate people around these hallways and the aggressive ship schedule we have, the results are going to impress you.

  99. Ugh… this has got to be one of the worst product launches ever. You’re evangelizing a site without Firefox support to an audience that has more Firefox users than the general population? WTF?

    First impressions stick and this is a real stinker!

  100. Ugh… this has got to be one of the worst product launches ever. You’re evangelizing a site without Firefox support to an audience that has more Firefox users than the general population? WTF?

    First impressions stick and this is a real stinker!

  101. Heh… the search experience is strange. It starts loading in a mini window on the page, then redirects me to the gaudy msn search. Where’s the consistency?

    You can’t start out with a homepage that looks like Google then redirect me to a craptacular search results page that looks like tellitubbies!

  102. Heh… the search experience is strange. It starts loading in a mini window on the page, then redirects me to the gaudy msn search. Where’s the consistency?

    You can’t start out with a homepage that looks like Google then redirect me to a craptacular search results page that looks like tellitubbies!

  103. “with all the brilliant, passionate people around these hallways and the aggressive ship schedule we have, the results are going to impress you”

    I love this. Not to denigrate MSFTies above all others, but come on. I have friends who work at MSFT, so I know how hard they work. But I’m sorry, I’ve heard one too many times about MSFT people talking about how brilliant and passionate they are. (They also apparently love to talk about carpet bombing people.) That kind of talk is clearly a signal that someoen is still stuck in a late 90s mode of thinking. I think the game has changed and its not just about being brilliant and passionate - its about providing value to customers (it always was about that, but bubble euphoria allowed people to get away with a lot for a few years there).

    Sorry, people do not buy *our* services just because we tell them how brilliant and passionate we are. We have to show value. MSFT employees would do well to remember this.

    And if I may, an aggressive ship schedule has gotten MSFT in trouble before, hasn’t it? Shipping things out before they’re ready? Shipping things out before they work with Firefox?

    Curiouser and curiouser…

  104. “with all the brilliant, passionate people around these hallways and the aggressive ship schedule we have, the results are going to impress you”

    I love this. Not to denigrate MSFTies above all others, but come on. I have friends who work at MSFT, so I know how hard they work. But I’m sorry, I’ve heard one too many times about MSFT people talking about how brilliant and passionate they are. (They also apparently love to talk about carpet bombing people.) That kind of talk is clearly a signal that someoen is still stuck in a late 90s mode of thinking. I think the game has changed and its not just about being brilliant and passionate - its about providing value to customers (it always was about that, but bubble euphoria allowed people to get away with a lot for a few years there).

    Sorry, people do not buy *our* services just because we tell them how brilliant and passionate we are. We have to show value. MSFT employees would do well to remember this.

    And if I may, an aggressive ship schedule has gotten MSFT in trouble before, hasn’t it? Shipping things out before they’re ready? Shipping things out before they work with Firefox?

    Curiouser and curiouser…

  107. “Take a look at some Opera guys tearing apart the idiot JS coders at start.com”

    There’s really no need to be nasty. I know the developers of Start.com (the basis of Live.com) and they are definitely not idiots. They’ve been working very hard to build the best product they can within the given time constraints, and frankly, I think they’ve done an amazing job.

    As a Firefox user, I understand the frustration of not having full functionality in other browsers at this time, but these limitations are definitely not purposeful on their part, and they are working on fixing them ASAP.

    By the way, I don’t see the intention of that link as “tearing apart” the Start.com developers. In fact, I’ll forward it to the team.

  108. “Take a look at some Opera guys tearing apart the idiot JS coders at start.com”

    There’s really no need to be nasty. I know the developers of Start.com (the basis of Live.com) and they are definitely not idiots. They’ve been working very hard to build the best product they can within the given time constraints, and frankly, I think they’ve done an amazing job.

    As a Firefox user, I understand the frustration of not having full functionality in other browsers at this time, but these limitations are definitely not purposeful on their part, and they are working on fixing them ASAP.

    By the way, I don’t see the intention of that link as “tearing apart” the Start.com developers. In fact, I’ll forward it to the team.

  109. > but these limitations are definitely not purposeful on their part, and they are working on fixing them ASAP.

    Why would a company *think* of releasing a web portal without support for any of the other browsers? Smart coders make this stuff work in all browsers FROM THE START. The reasons they give on the start.com blog reek of amateur inexperience.

  110. > but these limitations are definitely not purposeful on their part, and they are working on fixing them ASAP.

    Why would a company *think* of releasing a web portal without support for any of the other browsers? Smart coders make this stuff work in all browsers FROM THE START. The reasons they give on the start.com blog reek of amateur inexperience.

  113. I’m going to plug a neew post at my relatively new blog, in which I think Offic Live will be a more successful brand than Windows Live brand. My intention with the blog is to give give unfiltered view of things from inside Microsoft, but not as pessimistic and cynanical as mini-msft.

    It’s at http://msinside.blogspot.com and I hope to add to the discourse with a unique point of view only afforded by the anonymity. Come and check it out.

    I

  114. I’m going to plug a neew post at my relatively new blog, in which I think Offic Live will be a more successful brand than Windows Live brand. My intention with the blog is to give give unfiltered view of things from inside Microsoft, but not as pessimistic and cynanical as mini-msft.

    It’s at http://msinside.blogspot.com and I hope to add to the discourse with a unique point of view only afforded by the anonymity. Come and check it out.

    I

  115. Rolling Thunder…a random bombing campaign that had a cool name, but in the end, accomplished nothing. Leave it to Microsoft to pick the wrong one.

    When all those superubercaptaincoolguys at MS can figure out how to code their web services and gadgets correctly, so that they work with all compliant browsers, i’ll stop laughing at start.com…(Our Motto: We still think it’s 1999, and IE Rules ALL).

    Oh, and Brandon..really…stop with the “Oh if ONLY you could see the REALLY COOL SECRET stuff i’m working on”. If you can’t talk about it, then don’t, at all. That kind of crap is just insecure peniswaving, and makes people care even less about whatever it is you’re working on than we already don’t.

    Just because you work at the same company as Robert doesn’t mean you have to pick up his bad habits.

  116. Rolling Thunder…a random bombing campaign that had a cool name, but in the end, accomplished nothing. Leave it to Microsoft to pick the wrong one.

    When all those superubercaptaincoolguys at MS can figure out how to code their web services and gadgets correctly, so that they work with all compliant browsers, i’ll stop laughing at start.com…(Our Motto: We still think it’s 1999, and IE Rules ALL).

    Oh, and Brandon..really…stop with the “Oh if ONLY you could see the REALLY COOL SECRET stuff i’m working on”. If you can’t talk about it, then don’t, at all. That kind of crap is just insecure peniswaving, and makes people care even less about whatever it is you’re working on than we already don’t.

    Just because you work at the same company as Robert doesn’t mean you have to pick up his bad habits.

  117. “Read their reasons on their blog.”

    Ok, here’s what it says:

    “These represent the typical requirements that have blocked us from running on a larger set of browsers. If you represent a browser that does not run Start.com, we would appreciate any help resolving these issues. You can reach me directly via the e-mail address listed in my profile, or you can contact the start.com team directly. For the rest of you, we are working hard at enabling Start.com on the widest array of browsers and devices.”

    If Scott Isaacs (http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=118319) doesn’t qualify as a smart Javascript programmer, then I don’t know who does.

    Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.

  118. “Read their reasons on their blog.”

    Ok, here’s what it says:

    “These represent the typical requirements that have blocked us from running on a larger set of browsers. If you represent a browser that does not run Start.com, we would appreciate any help resolving these issues. You can reach me directly via the e-mail address listed in my profile, or you can contact the start.com team directly. For the rest of you, we are working hard at enabling Start.com on the widest array of browsers and devices.”

    If Scott Isaacs (http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=118319) doesn’t qualify as a smart Javascript programmer, then I don’t know who does.

    Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.

  119. Matt,

    “Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.”

    We’re not talking about some tiny start-up that’s showing a proof of concept. We’re talking about the largest, most powerful software company in the world making what was supposedly a major strategy shift announcement that would rock the world. The “come back in a couple of weeks” line really, really sounds weak in that context.

    This was a PR disaster for Microsoft, and apart from a couple of die-hard fans, Microsoft is taking it in the chin for this.

    Oh - And if someone didn’t confine their bounds and develop from the get-go with cross-browser capabilities (at least with the current breed of top-notch browsers), then they aren’t a smart browser period. You don’t implement it and then figure out what knobs you need to twist to make it work elsewhere.

  120. Matt,

    “Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.”

    We’re not talking about some tiny start-up that’s showing a proof of concept. We’re talking about the largest, most powerful software company in the world making what was supposedly a major strategy shift announcement that would rock the world. The “come back in a couple of weeks” line really, really sounds weak in that context.

    This was a PR disaster for Microsoft, and apart from a couple of die-hard fans, Microsoft is taking it in the chin for this.

    Oh - And if someone didn’t confine their bounds and develop from the get-go with cross-browser capabilities (at least with the current breed of top-notch browsers), then they aren’t a smart browser period. You don’t implement it and then figure out what knobs you need to twist to make it work elsewhere.

  123. Windows Live - The First Disruptive “Web 2.0″ Technology?

    Reading the various reviews around the world (see Scoble’s blog as a good jump-off point), I’m thinking: either most people don’t get it; or I’ve misunderstood what Microsoft is trying to do. Most people are saying things alon…

  124. Yeah it looked OK. It has the desired results to compete against Google as your home page.

    WOW is what you say when comparing the search though. Add onto your search {frsh=90} {popl=90} {mtch=90} for your results and say goodbye to Google. If this was achievable in MSN Search then I just have not been noticing a MS secret.

    The fact that I can scale the results to include time frame and rankings is very good. Google your 3 month search results filter just cannot cut it today. I don’t want information that old. I want information that is being talked about today and not back in web0.75beta :-s

    Good one Microsoft :)

  125. Yeah it looked OK. It has the desired results to compete against Google as your home page.

    WOW is what you say when comparing the search though. Add onto your search {frsh=90} {popl=90} {mtch=90} for your results and say goodbye to Google. If this was achievable in MSN Search then I just have not been noticing a MS secret.

    The fact that I can scale the results to include time frame and rankings is very good. Google your 3 month search results filter just cannot cut it today. I don’t want information that old. I want information that is being talked about today and not back in web0.75beta :-s

    Good one Microsoft :)

  126. Wow… that explains it why they couldn’t get it working on any other browser. They brought in an IE heavyweight that hasn’t touched another browser to write a portal that’s supposed to work on more than one browser?

    > If Scott Isaacs (http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=118319) doesn’t qualify as a smart Javascript programmer, then I don’t know who does.

    > Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.

  127. Wow… that explains it why they couldn’t get it working on any other browser. They brought in an IE heavyweight that hasn’t touched another browser to write a portal that’s supposed to work on more than one browser?

    > If Scott Isaacs (http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=118319) doesn’t qualify as a smart Javascript programmer, then I don’t know who does.

    > Live.com is not a finished product — that’s why it’s clearly labeled “Beta” at the top of the page. If you’re willing to give it another shot in a few weeks you might be pleasantly surprised.

  130. […] TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington has reviewed Windows Live - with an Office Live update to come. Tim O’Reilly has an interesting, albeit lengthy entry about the new products, and seeing as Tim is widely regarded as the ‘author’ of Web 2.0 thinking, it is worth a peek (check out the comments as well). Robert Scoble also has a great post linking to some of the conversations happening around the launch. PC World has an excellent write-up, calling “Live” Web 2.0, Microsoft style. […]

  131. Microsoft Web Fun

    I have long been a Microsoft fan (yeah, beat me up for that but I am…), but I’ve never liked MSN or Hotmail very much. In fact, I haven’t liked them at all. Until about a month ago, I used Outlook and only Outlook for my email because no web-base…

  134. This Live platfor is excellent, I am hoping to see some video’s on Channel9 with the Live.com developers soon 😉

  135. This Live platfor is excellent, I am hoping to see some video’s on Channel9 with the Live.com developers soon 😉

  138. Well I tried it, and I can’t get it to add feeds!

    I know the feed, I don’t need to search for it - I’m annoyed that what I want to do is an ‘advanced’ thing, surely loads of people know the feed urls, but it won’t add.

    Work in start.com, so it ain’t my feed.

    OK, well I’m using IE7, but that isn’t going to make any difference is it? I’d laugh if it did.

    As above with the overal comment though, nice but not new. Watch this space? Maybe.

  139. Well I tried it, and I can’t get it to add feeds!

    I know the feed, I don’t need to search for it - I’m annoyed that what I want to do is an ‘advanced’ thing, surely loads of people know the feed urls, but it won’t add.

    Work in start.com, so it ain’t my feed.

    OK, well I’m using IE7, but that isn’t going to make any difference is it? I’d laugh if it did.

    As above with the overal comment though, nice but not new. Watch this space? Maybe.

  140. Sitting back and watching this, what an amazing trainwreck, even the most die-hard’s are reduced to pips and squeeks. I mean you just know any MFST launch will be a flop (even the big good ones that can’t fail, like Xbox 360, still have huge glitches, i.e. the WalMart wireless problems) but this wow, gives “inept” a whole new meaning.

  141. Sitting back and watching this, what an amazing trainwreck, even the most die-hard’s are reduced to pips and squeeks. I mean you just know any MFST launch will be a flop (even the big good ones that can’t fail, like Xbox 360, still have huge glitches, i.e. the WalMart wireless problems) but this wow, gives “inept” a whole new meaning.

  143. Live.com - full of Ajaxy badness?

    I have been playing with Windows Live this morning - it is interesting and a real improvement over the old start.com. They have worked hard to create an interactive experience that avoids the dreaded page reload (can someone explain again why everyone …

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