Remembering the post-bubble pain

Fred, over at A VC blog, writes about “scars from the last bubble.”

Oh, that matches my psychological profile very well. It might seem from reading my blog that I have non-ending confidence that the advertising market (and the pressure on VCs to keep pouring on the gas) will continue to grow robustly.

The truth, however, is quite different. I’m very scared of the future. I remember the day in February 2003 where I laid myself off. I remember how hard it was for Maryam to find a new job (she went unemployed for more than a year).

I remember when most of my friends were either totally unemployed, or working for no cash. Remember the guy who started Blogger at Google? He wasn’t getting paid. How about the couple who started Six Apart? Unemployed.

So, what have I learned?

Your revenue ramp better be going up faster than your cash on hand is going down. Seems simple to do, but this is really hard. Why? Well, here’s a good example. Which would you rather have? $100,000 today or a penny doubled every day for a month? Well, the penny doubled will be a lot more money. But, if your cash runs out before the 20th of the month you would have been better off taking the $100,000. Markets build by doubling. That’s why big companies miss important things when they are small (they only see things after the metaphorical 20th day when the numbers start to get really interesting). But keeping your company going until that metaphorical 20th day is a terrifying game of chicken between your cash going down and waiting for that doubling effect to really kick in (and that’s assuming you have a product or service that’ll keep doubling — like blogging turned out to be).

If you are seeing a doubling effect going on, measure its amplitude, and then spend accordingly. The blogging world was doubling every five months. In the first year I was blogging, 2000, that meant going from a couple hundred blogs that I could find to about 400. In 2001, it went to 800, then 1600 by the end of the year. In 2002 it went to thousands. In 2003 it went to hundreds of thousands. In 2004 it went to millions. The problem is that we spent our cash so we couldn’t survive past 2003. That either meant we should have gone back and gotten more money (not possible cause VCs weren’t investing in very many things back in 2002/03) or we should have slowed down our spending. If I was honest with you I should never have gotten hired at UserLand back then, I didn’t add enough value for the eight months of cash that were left. The doubling effect hadn’t yet kicked in.

Sometimes it’s good to take the $100,000 offer if it makes sense and live to see another day instead of holding out for a penny doubling. I don’t remember one of those on the table, but if I ever get a chance like that I’ll look back at this as advice.

At this point PodTech is gassing up. Why? We need some products and services, er, shows, that can get onto the doubling effect that video blogging is now seeing. But this scares the hell out of me. On the other hand, if we don’t spend the money, hire great people, we won’t be able to surf that doubling wave that we’re seeing. It means getting over your fears.

My mom dying was a HUGE part of this. She told me, by dying at too young an age, ”it’s time to surf and take some risks.” It isn’t lost on me that my new house is just a few miles from Mavericks, the place where some of the largest waves in the world hit land. Those waves have killed professional surfers. The surf report has come in and the waves are getting bigger. :-)

I don’t know that we can really avoid the next bust, though, but at least this time around I’m going in with my eyes open. If you were joining a startup today like I am, what would you be trying to do to live through the bad times?

  • Booger

    OK, I’ll bite. So, blogging went into the millions in 2004 and we are now halfway through 2006.

    How much direct revenue is being generating by blogs and at what rate are the number of players growing?

    For instance, Matt has 200,000-some blogs on wordpress…how much annual revenue per blog would you guess that he is making?

    Booger

  • Booger

    OK, I’ll bite. So, blogging went into the millions in 2004 and we are now halfway through 2006.

    How much direct revenue is being generating by blogs and at what rate are the number of players growing?

    For instance, Matt has 200,000-some blogs on wordpress…how much annual revenue per blog would you guess that he is making?

    Booger

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Booger: not much yet. But he needs millions for his business model to work well (he’s going after a small slice of advertising revenues by negotiating a better deal with advertising distribution networks and he’s probably going to sell “pro” features too to keep his cash going short term until the longer-term advertising play shows up).

    Six Apart has 120 employees now, last time I asked, so that’s pretty sizeable growth.

    I know MSN has been hiring lots of people to the Spaces team in the past year or so.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Booger: not much yet. But he needs millions for his business model to work well (he’s going after a small slice of advertising revenues by negotiating a better deal with advertising distribution networks and he’s probably going to sell “pro” features too to keep his cash going short term until the longer-term advertising play shows up).

    Six Apart has 120 employees now, last time I asked, so that’s pretty sizeable growth.

    I know MSN has been hiring lots of people to the Spaces team in the past year or so.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Oh, and Microsoft will add most of the key blogging features to Sharepoint next year. So that’s a big elephant jumping into the pool.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Oh, and Microsoft will add most of the key blogging features to Sharepoint next year. So that’s a big elephant jumping into the pool.

  • colin

    Advertising revenue is not a realistic revenue stream (in terms of chances of sufficient success for everyone) for a micro-isv or start-up - it’s too much of a numbers gamble whereby the costs of data transfer alone can sink someone. Remember #1 from Dead2.0? That doesn’t mean that someone wont make it to the 20th day with a shoe-string budget and we’ll tend to put them on a pedastal, but you don’t hear about the N failures that didn’t make it.

    The other thing that the bubble created or at least accompanied was the expectation of everything being ‘free’ on the Internet…

    Where on Earth are micro transactions? Why is pay-by-SMS not taking off in North America (except for adult entertainment)?

    I’m glad you’re blogging at the weekend Robert. When you blog late at night on Pacific Time there are 40 comments on each post and 10 more posts before I even get to read it - let alone comment :)

  • colin

    Advertising revenue is not a realistic revenue stream (in terms of chances of sufficient success for everyone) for a micro-isv or start-up - it’s too much of a numbers gamble whereby the costs of data transfer alone can sink someone. Remember #1 from Dead2.0? That doesn’t mean that someone wont make it to the 20th day with a shoe-string budget and we’ll tend to put them on a pedastal, but you don’t hear about the N failures that didn’t make it.

    The other thing that the bubble created or at least accompanied was the expectation of everything being ‘free’ on the Internet…

    Where on Earth are micro transactions? Why is pay-by-SMS not taking off in North America (except for adult entertainment)?

    I’m glad you’re blogging at the weekend Robert. When you blog late at night on Pacific Time there are 40 comments on each post and 10 more posts before I even get to read it - let alone comment :)

  • http://valleywag.com/ Nick Douglas

    Robert: Wait, do YOU remember Evan? Didn’t he start Blogger long before Google bought it (and him)?

  • http://valleywag.com Nick Douglas

    Robert: Wait, do YOU remember Evan? Didn’t he start Blogger long before Google bought it (and him)?

  • http://www.ensight.org/ Jeremy Wright

    Booger: Last year, more than 40M$.

    Robert: Now imagine being the CEO ;-)

  • http://www.ensight.org Jeremy Wright

    Booger: Last year, more than 40M$.

    Robert: Now imagine being the CEO ;-)

  • http://inluminent.com/ John

    Robert,

    Another good lesson that came out of the bubble, and talks about growing a company is the Sales Learning Curve:

    http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P6174_0_7_0_C

    Go read up about it, then download the presentation:

    http://altusalliance.com/SLC_draft_050102_printonly.pdf

    Good reading for a company looking to grow that needs a sales staff…

  • http://inluminent.com John

    Robert,

    Another good lesson that came out of the bubble, and talks about growing a company is the Sales Learning Curve:

    http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P6174_0_7_0_C

    Go read up about it, then download the presentation:

    http://altusalliance.com/SLC_draft_050102_printonly.pdf

    Good reading for a company looking to grow that needs a sales staff…

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    [...] Greetings, I joined another startup… Not quite as small as Scoble’s new venture, and not part of the bubblicious blogging/vlogging/podcasting, etc. world, but still relatively small. However, I have about 8 months of mortgage payments in savings, and several small side-services that make me enough to cover utilities and food if we’re really careful. I no longer would really think of joining a startup without that partial net, but then I have responsibilities that I’m not willing to fail on. The only thing I’m really afraid of if my company tanks is losing health care… When you don’t have that safety net, one serious health issue can mean the difference between surfing the web and getting sucked under the waves. [...]

  • Gavin Fischer

    I wouldn’t have my wife work at the same one as me. Yes, good to see her but not so good from a risk management point of view.

    If things start to go south and the pucker factor goes up - your looking at both of you being unemployed not just one. This will, in most of the cases I have seen, make you not take some risks that may need to be taken at that time if you are going to make a save.

    BUT - It sounds like working with your wife might be something you really like, so there is that to balance it with.

    It is putting all the eggs in one basket though, and from a purely financial point of view, is the upside really that big? The downside is really big (dual simulatanious unemployment). You better be able to be really rich if it pays off.

    Gavin

  • Gavin Fischer

    I wouldn’t have my wife work at the same one as me. Yes, good to see her but not so good from a risk management point of view.

    If things start to go south and the pucker factor goes up - your looking at both of you being unemployed not just one. This will, in most of the cases I have seen, make you not take some risks that may need to be taken at that time if you are going to make a save.

    BUT - It sounds like working with your wife might be something you really like, so there is that to balance it with.

    It is putting all the eggs in one basket though, and from a purely financial point of view, is the upside really that big? The downside is really big (dual simulatanious unemployment). You better be able to be really rich if it pays off.

    Gavin

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Gavin, yeah, this could be a problem. With my mom leaving 1/3rd of her estate to us, though, it’s a risk I was willing to take.

    I’ve worked with her before, though, and liked that and so far we’re having a ball. Check back in six months to see if that’s still the case! :-)

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    Gavin, yeah, this could be a problem. With my mom leaving 1/3rd of her estate to us, though, it’s a risk I was willing to take.

    I’ve worked with her before, though, and liked that and so far we’re having a ball. Check back in six months to see if that’s still the case! :-)

  • http://www.geise.com/ PXLated

    Ya know, anyone reading your blog or posting comments Robert, are not reality. We live in a different world and are wooed by all this web stuff. You want a reality check, go down to one of the local VFWs/Legions or any number of “normal people” bars and try to discuss anything you think is even close to mainstream tech and you will definitely get a rude awakening.
    We are living in a niche, 5-10 years ahead of reality but reality bursts the bubble.

  • http://www.geise.com PXLated

    Ya know, anyone reading your blog or posting comments Robert, are not reality. We live in a different world and are wooed by all this web stuff. You want a reality check, go down to one of the local VFWs/Legions or any number of “normal people” bars and try to discuss anything you think is even close to mainstream tech and you will definitely get a rude awakening.
    We are living in a niche, 5-10 years ahead of reality but reality bursts the bubble.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    PXLated: yeah, I know. But I drag in normal people into our weird world. Jamil, the guy who made the food for our party, just was here and he doesn’t have a Web site but is a very talented chef. He is interested, though, and realizes that is the way to get business.

  • http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/ Robert Scoble

    PXLated: yeah, I know. But I drag in normal people into our weird world. Jamil, the guy who made the food for our party, just was here and he doesn’t have a Web site but is a very talented chef. He is interested, though, and realizes that is the way to get business.

  • http://pigpen.info/2006/07/23/the-post-bubble-pain/ Pig Pen - Web Standards Compliant Web Design Blog » Blog Archive » The Post-Bubble Pain

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  • http://www.retvig.blogspot.com/ Kasper Retvig

    Hi Robert

    Having started my own business before I would focus on two mayor things:

    1. Do good and brutally honest calculations about your business. Both on your expenses and your income/sales. Dont be negative but honest with your selfes.

    2. Take control of your business. Your business is your responsibility and only yours. You should make sure you control as much of your business and supply chain as posible.

    I have written a bit more about this on my own blog if you’re interested

  • http://www.retvig.blogspot.com Kasper Retvig

    Hi Robert

    Having started my own business before I would focus on two mayor things:

    1. Do good and brutally honest calculations about your business. Both on your expenses and your income/sales. Dont be negative but honest with your selfes.

    2. Take control of your business. Your business is your responsibility and only yours. You should make sure you control as much of your business and supply chain as posible.

    I have written a bit more about this on my own blog if you’re interested

  • http://www.churchtechmatters.com/ Jim Walton

    I tend to be pretty independent and have always been an entrepeneur at heart. In late 2001, I was laid off and spent the next year looking for a new job. I worked alot in that year but nothing that would support my family. I found a job, in another state, and have been here 4 years now, but I have a different attitude. After being cocky and thinking it would never happen to me, I have spent the last year or more building up my own technical consulting business, on the side.

    My day job doesn’t really excite me, but I’m gradually seeing my own gig grow to where I’m getting busier. I’m building relationships in my community and seeing the power of word of mouth. I debate over the fact that if I did spend 45+ hours a week at my job, how much more business could I generate, but practicality wins, at this point.

    Oh yeah, I sent my resume into a local startup and they are still waiting on some more funding. The would be fun to be part of, but risky, of course.

    The bottom line is I refuse to be caught with my hands empty if my employer hits a rough spot, the way it stands now, given the opportunity, i.e. being laid off, I’m gonna hit the ground running and not look back, building on something that I’ve already started.

  • http://www.churchtechmatters.com Jim Walton

    I tend to be pretty independent and have always been an entrepeneur at heart. In late 2001, I was laid off and spent the next year looking for a new job. I worked alot in that year but nothing that would support my family. I found a job, in another state, and have been here 4 years now, but I have a different attitude. After being cocky and thinking it would never happen to me, I have spent the last year or more building up my own technical consulting business, on the side.

    My day job doesn’t really excite me, but I’m gradually seeing my own gig grow to where I’m getting busier. I’m building relationships in my community and seeing the power of word of mouth. I debate over the fact that if I did spend 45+ hours a week at my job, how much more business could I generate, but practicality wins, at this point.

    Oh yeah, I sent my resume into a local startup and they are still waiting on some more funding. The would be fun to be part of, but risky, of course.

    The bottom line is I refuse to be caught with my hands empty if my employer hits a rough spot, the way it stands now, given the opportunity, i.e. being laid off, I’m gonna hit the ground running and not look back, building on something that I’ve already started.

  • http://www.ensight.org/ Jeremy Wright

    Great stuff Jim, that’s the exact right attitude. And if you asked around, that’s the kind of attitude that many of today’s tech leaders started with!

  • http://www.ensight.org Jeremy Wright

    Great stuff Jim, that’s the exact right attitude. And if you asked around, that’s the kind of attitude that many of today’s tech leaders started with!

  • http://abmw.wordpress.com/ Alan Wilensky

    I wonder if all the work I did in the 90′s was worth a shit; I was good at what I did, but it seems less relevant, and sometimes, the only gadget that seems to useful is the Beretta .25 on the side stand neat the bed.

    I still see old shipyard guys, engineers, welders, at the Portsmouth Navy shipyard bars, hoping to ‘get back on’; Am I a holdover wrtier/analyst from the boom that can’t trasnlate - being informed and articulate is no longer enough -

  • http://abmw.wordpress.com/ Alan Wilensky

    I wonder if all the work I did in the 90′s was worth a shit; I was good at what I did, but it seems less relevant, and sometimes, the only gadget that seems to useful is the Beretta .25 on the side stand neat the bed.

    I still see old shipyard guys, engineers, welders, at the Portsmouth Navy shipyard bars, hoping to ‘get back on’; Am I a holdover wrtier/analyst from the boom that can’t trasnlate - being informed and articulate is no longer enough -

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  • http://blog.snipperoo.com/ Ivan Pope

    PXLated said: ‘Ya know, anyone reading your blog or posting comments Robert, are not reality. We live in a different world and are wooed by all this web stuff. …
    We are living in a niche, 5-10 years ahead of reality but reality bursts the bubble.’
    Hey, PXLated, all I can say to this is, someone has to live in that bubble or the world would stagnate. Someone has to be at the bleeding edge. I started a Web magazine in 1993, everyone said I was crazy. But I knew. I was prepared to get out there and sing what I believed. And so much more than I could ever have imagined has come to be true. The web is everyday for so many people, it changes lives, it allows us to dream and move on, often unemcumbered by geography. Now, along the way there will be some pain and loss, but that’s life, that happens anyway. I’d say, better to be five years ahead of the world than five years behind it …

  • http://blog.snipperoo.com Ivan Pope

    PXLated said: ‘Ya know, anyone reading your blog or posting comments Robert, are not reality. We live in a different world and are wooed by all this web stuff. …
    We are living in a niche, 5-10 years ahead of reality but reality bursts the bubble.’
    Hey, PXLated, all I can say to this is, someone has to live in that bubble or the world would stagnate. Someone has to be at the bleeding edge. I started a Web magazine in 1993, everyone said I was crazy. But I knew. I was prepared to get out there and sing what I believed. And so much more than I could ever have imagined has come to be true. The web is everyday for so many people, it changes lives, it allows us to dream and move on, often unemcumbered by geography. Now, along the way there will be some pain and loss, but that’s life, that happens anyway. I’d say, better to be five years ahead of the world than five years behind it …

  • http://iggyz.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/12/2104823.html Iggy Uncensored

    Crash 2.0 - wasn’t this my question

    While I’d agree that many others have been asking this question for awhile. Granted I don’t read any of these people. I’d also agree that others asked this in other ways during Michael Arrington’s Gnomedex 6 segment. Yet as far as I’m aware I am t…

  • http://yourdon.com/personal/blog/2006/07/26/web-20-mind-map-version-v014/ The Yourdon Report » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 mind-map, version v014

    [...] I added a link to a recent posting in Scobleizer’s blog, which contains good advice for Web 2.0 entrpreneurs who want to avoid the misery experienced by Web 1.0 startups at the end of the “bubble.” This has been placed in a new branch on strategies for startup companies, in the “Business Issues” page of the mind-map. [...]

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  • http://www.webomatica.com/wordpress/2006/11/30/things-that-could-obliterate-web-20/ Things That Could Obliterate Web 2.0 » Webomatica

    [...] 1. People haven’t totally gotten over the Web 1.0 crash. “People” is a blanket statement, from VCs to companies to bloggers to mainstream users. Even myself - as a potential tech employee - am psychologically scarred from the last nuclear winter of layoffs and unemployment. While it’s said what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger, it also influences you to be wary of that which nearly bought you the farm. [...]

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