Windows Live Mail (formerly Hotmail) has a philosophy?

As I go around Microsoft I ask teams "are you just gonna sell your participants/partners/users/customers down the river or are you gonna stand up for them?" Especially when someone is offering you money to do something anti-user?

This week when I was interviewing the Hotmail Windows Live Mail team they told me about a decision they had made to reduce the number of advertisments on their service from two to one.

Omar Shahine detailed this decision, and other things (he works on this team).

We are afraid to tell you is just how much money is left on the table by this decision, but it's a HUGE pile. More money than I would imagine (turns out that putting two ads on a page is very profitable). Why? Because we're scared of making shareholders even more skittish than they already are (our expenses are up and leaving many millions of dollars on the table doesn't seem like a smart decision, does it?)

But, this decision makes me happy. Ecstatic, actually. It means that the product teams have been given the green light to make the best-of-breed experiences for our customers and users.

The Windows Live Mail team just got a philosophy. Companies that have pro-participant philosophies, especially in the advertising age, will end up with bigger audiences and more profit in the end.

I tell ya, Live.com just got a whole lot easier for me to evangelize.

Does this matter? Windows Live Mail has 200 million unique accounts that have been signed into in the past 30 days. They block more than a billion spam messages every day. This is one of the most used Web Services in the world.

Their new site design is working really well for me. Much nicer than the existing Hotmail.

I love this team.

  • Bruce Wilder

    There is a kind of work-around for the limits on the number of folders.

    Obviously, some moron at Live Hotmail decided there ought to be a limit, but (and it is a big but), there cannot be a real limit, because the software has to accept folders imported from the old Hotmail, where there was no limit.

    Windows Live Mail does not impose a limit, either. So, the workaround is to install the Windows Live Mail, where you can create folders to your heart’s content. The folders will appear in Live Hotmail on the web. You may not be able to create new folders in Live Hotmail, but you can re-name them.

    Unfortunately, there’s nothing you can do about the morons.

  • Fred Daniels

    take me back to my old hotmail how do i switch back

  • Fred Daniels

    take me back to my old hotmail how do i switch back

  • m.k.

    they removed the “switch back” option. i hate Windows Live, but there’s no choice. windows live now forces everyone to leave the old hotmail!

  • m.k.

    they removed the “switch back” option. i hate Windows Live, but there’s no choice. windows live now forces everyone to leave the old hotmail!

  • May

    This whole anti-user banner-ads-in-my-inbox-with-no-opt-out is a real BREACH of my PRIVACY! I can call telemarketers and have my number taken off their call lists, and I can opt out of ads coming to my snail mailbox. But not email??!! Please won’t someone tell me how to get rid of this banner ad situation? Otherwise I will have to waste my precious time updating my email in all the websites who have my addy.

  • May

    This whole anti-user banner-ads-in-my-inbox-with-no-opt-out is a real BREACH of my PRIVACY! I can call telemarketers and have my number taken off their call lists, and I can opt out of ads coming to my snail mailbox. But not email??!! Please won’t someone tell me how to get rid of this banner ad situation? Otherwise I will have to waste my precious time updating my email in all the websites who have my addy.

  • http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/ Light Horse

    In the old Hotmail, on the “Home” tab, it would show my 15 most recent unread e-mails from people in my contacts list. I found this to be very useful.

    In the new Windows Live, I cannot find a way to display only unread e-mails. Am I missing something, or is there no way to display only unread e-mails?

  • http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/ Light Horse

    In the old Hotmail, on the “Home” tab, it would show my 15 most recent unread e-mails from people in my contacts list. I found this to be very useful.

    In the new Windows Live, I cannot find a way to display only unread e-mails. Am I missing something, or is there no way to display only unread e-mails?

  • hasan

    windows live mail is a complete flop.

  • http://hasan. hasan

    windows live mail is a complete flop.

  • Marcus Episco

    During the initial Beta-testing of Hotmail-Terminator (aka Windows Live Mail), they (M$) had tried lure me and everybody else with such freebies that made no sense at the time. Being an IT professional myself, I tried their WLM 3 times and uninstalled 3 times. And each time I replied to them with hard-to-discard advise. I mentioned such things as:
    - They were trying to grab more cash from me/you.
    - They were trying to keep freshly-hired developers busy creating some crap.
    - I told them that before Windows Live Mail, there existed a M$ product called either Outlook Live or Office Live (perhaps outlook live).
    - I asked them, “In which way this new crap is live” and Hotmail is dead?
    - Windows Live Mail did not function with Firefox well. They said they will fix it in the future. I am still waiting. They had their golden opportunity to score a marginal victory of Firefox; they relished it.
    - I recommended that they study NetZero mail, which I still believe superior to any M$ Mail, dead or alive. It would still cheaper to pay some loyalties than developing this colossal crap called Live mail.
    - I also recommende they look into FoxMail (a Chinesed-developed) POP e-mail client. FoxMail can also read Hotmail messages.
    Then the all-humble B. Gates suppressed FoxMail’s Hotmail reading capability, as Yahoo did with YPOPS proxy client.
    - If you remember, they took away the option of reading Hotmail with Outlook Express, but under pressure from veteran users, they reinstated Outlook Express’ capability.

    After giving them such true criticism, you would think they would offer me a job, wouldn’t you? Tough luck. Instead they chose to drown in their own crap.

  • Marcus Episco

    During the initial Beta-testing of Hotmail-Terminator (aka Windows Live Mail), they (M$) had tried lure me and everybody else with such freebies that made no sense at the time. Being an IT professional myself, I tried their WLM 3 times and uninstalled 3 times. And each time I replied to them with hard-to-discard advise. I mentioned such things as:
    - They were trying to grab more cash from me/you.
    - They were trying to keep freshly-hired developers busy creating some crap.
    - I told them that before Windows Live Mail, there existed a M$ product called either Outlook Live or Office Live (perhaps outlook live).
    - I asked them, “In which way this new crap is live” and Hotmail is dead?
    - Windows Live Mail did not function with Firefox well. They said they will fix it in the future. I am still waiting. They had their golden opportunity to score a marginal victory of Firefox; they relished it.
    - I recommended that they study NetZero mail, which I still believe superior to any M$ Mail, dead or alive. It would still cheaper to pay some loyalties than developing this colossal crap called Live mail.
    - I also recommende they look into FoxMail (a Chinesed-developed) POP e-mail client. FoxMail can also read Hotmail messages.
    Then the all-humble B. Gates suppressed FoxMail’s Hotmail reading capability, as Yahoo did with YPOPS proxy client.
    - If you remember, they took away the option of reading Hotmail with Outlook Express, but under pressure from veteran users, they reinstated Outlook Express’ capability.

    After giving them such true criticism, you would think they would offer me a job, wouldn’t you? Tough luck. Instead they chose to drown in their own crap.

  • asda

    Windows Live Mail is a big slow crap.

    MS is getting a very crapy company

  • asda

    Windows Live Mail is a big slow crap.

    MS is getting a very crapy company

  • http://www.robertstinnett.com Robert Stinnett

    Windows Live Mail is a great product, and I appreciate all the work that the folks have put into it. For years I did not want to let go of my Outlook client because I needed the features — today, I do not use a “fat client” at all. Everything I need is there in Windows Live Mail.

    One of the best features, by far, is the ability to use my own domain with it. So instead of user@live.com I am user@robertstinnett.com.

    Keep up the good work guys — Your Live portfolio is getting better all the time!

  • http://blog.robertstinnett.com Robert Stinnett

    Windows Live Mail is a great product, and I appreciate all the work that the folks have put into it. For years I did not want to let go of my Outlook client because I needed the features — today, I do not use a “fat client” at all. Everything I need is there in Windows Live Mail.

    One of the best features, by far, is the ability to use my own domain with it. So instead of user@live.com I am user@robertstinnett.com.

    Keep up the good work guys — Your Live portfolio is getting better all the time!

  • Alfred Shuryan

    Are you silly? Crazy? HOTMAIL users have been SOLD down the stream. I regrettably installed the “WINDOWS LIVE” without the advanced knowledge I would NOT be capable of keeping my HOTMAIL account with it. I can’t UN-install it. No program associations or program defaults will revert back and now all E-Mail built in features are incapable of working like send link by mail. Live comes up, not allowing my hotmail ID and the association will not revert. How can MSN abandon the PAID Hotmail customers???? Are you serious? IT SUCKS everything.

  • Alfred Shuryan

    Are you silly? Crazy? HOTMAIL users have been SOLD down the stream. I regrettably installed the “WINDOWS LIVE” without the advanced knowledge I would NOT be capable of keeping my HOTMAIL account with it. I can’t UN-install it. No program associations or program defaults will revert back and now all E-Mail built in features are incapable of working like send link by mail. Live comes up, not allowing my hotmail ID and the association will not revert. How can MSN abandon the PAID Hotmail customers???? Are you serious? IT SUCKS everything.

  • LionShark

    What I want to know is if there is a way to revert back to the classic windows live, and if there isn’t, why not? The whole thing sucks, and it doesnt really do much. So what, it gets rid of 1 banner, they arent really too hard to put your mind around. And anyway, my internet is low and it takes years for the new windows live mail to load up. Up to 70% faster veiwing my ass. If there is a way of going back to the OLD hotmail, then PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!!

  • LionShark

    What I want to know is if there is a way to revert back to the classic windows live, and if there isn’t, why not? The whole thing sucks, and it doesnt really do much. So what, it gets rid of 1 banner, they arent really too hard to put your mind around. And anyway, my internet is low and it takes years for the new windows live mail to load up. Up to 70% faster veiwing my ass. If there is a way of going back to the OLD hotmail, then PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!!

  • MI Mike

    How do I get back the old classic hotmail. The new live hotmail sucks, really bad. If I cannot go back is there something I can do to reroute hotmail email to another different email provider till all those that I deal with have my new email address. Thanks

  • MI Mike

    How do I get back the old classic hotmail. The new live hotmail sucks, really bad. If I cannot go back is there something I can do to reroute hotmail email to another different email provider till all those that I deal with have my new email address. Thanks

  • Alfred Shuryan

    We are waiting your response Scoble

  • Alfred Shuryan

    We are waiting your response Scoble

  • CJ

    I have to agree - the new version of WLM or WLH sucks big time. I think it only fair users are given the option - which as of this writing is no longer available - of reverting back to the classic version of Hotmail. If Yahoo can do it why can’t Hotmail??? I tried the new version of Yahoo mail, didn’t like it, clicked the link to revert back and wala…my account was returned to the classic version of Yahoo mail. Piece of cake! Come on … give the option back to us!

  • CJ

    I have to agree - the new version of WLM or WLH sucks big time. I think it only fair users are given the option - which as of this writing is no longer available - of reverting back to the classic version of Hotmail. If Yahoo can do it why can’t Hotmail??? I tried the new version of Yahoo mail, didn’t like it, clicked the link to revert back and wala…my account was returned to the classic version of Yahoo mail. Piece of cake! Come on … give the option back to us!

  • Santiago

    Haven’t found a way to go back to classic hotmail, but I have been using a tool called “Hotmail Popper” from Custom Fit Software (search google for it if you like, I think it’s like $17.50 USD). This enables you to run a POP client like Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Pegasus, etc., and get your Hotmail as if it were POP mail. Eliminates having to use WLM/WLH on your home PC, but if you travel and want to check in on hotmail from an internet cafe or PC that’s not your own, you’ll naturally still have to use the web client.

  • Santiago

    Haven’t found a way to go back to classic hotmail, but I have been using a tool called “Hotmail Popper” from Custom Fit Software (search google for it if you like, I think it’s like $17.50 USD). This enables you to run a POP client like Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Pegasus, etc., and get your Hotmail as if it were POP mail. Eliminates having to use WLM/WLH on your home PC, but if you travel and want to check in on hotmail from an internet cafe or PC that’s not your own, you’ll naturally still have to use the web client.