Oh, Hugh…

John Dvorak!

John Dvorak!

John Dvorak!

That, took, what, 12 minutes?

That, took, what, 12 minutes?

That, took, what, 12 minutes?

John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

Dvorak is amusing and not to be taken seriously. But I thought you were talking about Robert Cringely. OK not really but still. Blockbuster?
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060216.html

Dvorak is amusing and not to be taken seriously. But I thought you were talking about Robert Cringely. OK not really but still. Blockbuster?
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060216.html

Dvorak is amusing and not to be taken seriously. But I thought you were talking about Robert Cringely. OK not really but still. Blockbuster?
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060216.html

You rag on Dvorak yet praise up Steve “Office is Dead” Gillmor’s buzzworded Attention nonsense? Parallel unnnniverse.

I thought Evangelism was outreach to the “sinners?” If anything your worst ‘enemy’ should be your primary target. But the reasons are easy to see, JCD and like don’t give you the time of the day, they don’t worship your Royal Highness, whereas Steve and others of such ilk do, or marketingese buzzworded ‘having a community relationship’. Easy enough to deconstruct that one.

But JCD’s piece was more anti-Web 2.0, there was a Slate mag article on Blog Hype, and Andrew Keen also took a swipe at Web 2.0, so technically tons more to choose from.

It is a fad, drop-offs and turnovers are incredible, now even fads have die-hards that remain steadfast drawing an income from such, but the existence of ‘true believers’ and a Madison Ave. publishing schedules, doesn’t flip the fad off. You will always be around, always blogging, but your existence doesn’t cancel out trends, sorry you are not the Center of the Universe.

But here’s the pattern, when in danger of going under, people just change the definitions, allowing for any online activity to be classified as “blogging”. Or when numbers low, claim “quality audiences” or when numbers high claim “people are finally getting it, (of course I knew it all along)”. So that way you can never lose. Numbers down, make-up of audience that much more important. When numbers up, preach the Naked Conversational MLM Gospel. So when the fad wears off, you will just pull out the standard tired “my important 18 readers” bit.

You rag on Dvorak yet praise up Steve “Office is Dead” Gillmor’s buzzworded Attention nonsense? Parallel unnnniverse.

I thought Evangelism was outreach to the “sinners?” If anything your worst ‘enemy’ should be your primary target. But the reasons are easy to see, JCD and like don’t give you the time of the day, they don’t worship your Royal Highness, whereas Steve and others of such ilk do, or marketingese buzzworded ‘having a community relationship’. Easy enough to deconstruct that one.

But JCD’s piece was more anti-Web 2.0, there was a Slate mag article on Blog Hype, and Andrew Keen also took a swipe at Web 2.0, so technically tons more to choose from.

It is a fad, drop-offs and turnovers are incredible, now even fads have die-hards that remain steadfast drawing an income from such, but the existence of ‘true believers’ and a Madison Ave. publishing schedules, doesn’t flip the fad off. You will always be around, always blogging, but your existence doesn’t cancel out trends, sorry you are not the Center of the Universe.

But here’s the pattern, when in danger of going under, people just change the definitions, allowing for any online activity to be classified as “blogging”. Or when numbers low, claim “quality audiences” or when numbers high claim “people are finally getting it, (of course I knew it all along)”. So that way you can never lose. Numbers down, make-up of audience that much more important. When numbers up, preach the Naked Conversational MLM Gospel. So when the fad wears off, you will just pull out the standard tired “my important 18 readers” bit.

You rag on Dvorak yet praise up Steve “Office is Dead” Gillmor’s buzzworded Attention nonsense? Parallel unnnniverse.

I thought Evangelism was outreach to the “sinners?” If anything your worst ‘enemy’ should be your primary target. But the reasons are easy to see, JCD and like don’t give you the time of the day, they don’t worship your Royal Highness, whereas Steve and others of such ilk do, or marketingese buzzworded ‘having a community relationship’. Easy enough to deconstruct that one.

But JCD’s piece was more anti-Web 2.0, there was a Slate mag article on Blog Hype, and Andrew Keen also took a swipe at Web 2.0, so technically tons more to choose from.

It is a fad, drop-offs and turnovers are incredible, now even fads have die-hards that remain steadfast drawing an income from such, but the existence of ‘true believers’ and a Madison Ave. publishing schedules, doesn’t flip the fad off. You will always be around, always blogging, but your existence doesn’t cancel out trends, sorry you are not the Center of the Universe.

But here’s the pattern, when in danger of going under, people just change the definitions, allowing for any online activity to be classified as “blogging”. Or when numbers low, claim “quality audiences” or when numbers high claim “people are finally getting it, (of course I knew it all along)”. So that way you can never lose. Numbers down, make-up of audience that much more important. When numbers up, preach the Naked Conversational MLM Gospel. So when the fad wears off, you will just pull out the standard tired “my important 18 readers” bit.

I thought you were talking about your dumb-assed self.

But I guess getting spanked for a couple of years for foolish claims, outlandish predictions, and absurd analysis has largely reduced you to blogging about sitting in airports or traveling to that conference or that ski lodge or that company you’ll never buy or that model you’ll never screw, etc…

I thought you were talking about your dumb-assed self.

But I guess getting spanked for a couple of years for foolish claims, outlandish predictions, and absurd analysis has largely reduced you to blogging about sitting in airports or traveling to that conference or that ski lodge or that company you’ll never buy or that model you’ll never screw, etc…

I thought you were talking about your dumb-assed self.

But I guess getting spanked for a couple of years for foolish claims, outlandish predictions, and absurd analysis has largely reduced you to blogging about sitting in airports or traveling to that conference or that ski lodge or that company you’ll never buy or that model you’ll never screw, etc…

Wow, feel the love.

For a fad, lots of people sure are commenting…

Wow, feel the love.

For a fad, lots of people sure are commenting…

Wow, feel the love.

For a fad, lots of people sure are commenting…

>> John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

…. and Christopher Coulter is the John Dvorak of Scobleizer commenters……

>> John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

…. and Christopher Coulter is the John Dvorak of Scobleizer commenters……

>> John Dvorak is the Ann Coulter of tech writers.

…. and Christopher Coulter is the John Dvorak of Scobleizer commenters……

Sometimes I get fusterated with blogging because I am not the fastest typer and so my thoughts often get lost so I end up saving it. Then after a few days of saving it, adding a few words over that span, I usually trash it.

Sometimes I get fusterated with blogging because I am not the fastest typer and so my thoughts often get lost so I end up saving it. Then after a few days of saving it, adding a few words over that span, I usually trash it.

Sometimes I get fusterated with blogging because I am not the fastest typer and so my thoughts often get lost so I end up saving it. Then after a few days of saving it, adding a few words over that span, I usually trash it.

Dear Christopher Coulter. I don’t know enough of the backstory to understand why it is that you are so disrespectful to Robert. But you know what, it’s really becoming a bore. I think I know why Robert doesn’t do more to discourage or prevent you from posting here; it probably has everything to do with his philosophy about the sanctity of “the conversation”. I’d encourage Robert to think how he would react if your responses were translated to a live interaction. I can only tell you that in his shoes, I wouldn’t put up with it for five seconds.

Don’t (anyone) take this the wrong way. I’m all for a devils advocate. I’m all for an adult conversation in which people hold differing points of view. Not everyone is drinking the Microsoft Kool Aid. Based on what I’ve seen of Robert (in his blog and from podcasts and videos of his talks) he actually encourages challenge to established thinking, because such challenge is the beginning of change, and well thought out change is good.

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

Goebbbels - I hesitate to dignify your dross with a comment, and you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter. Stringing together something rational that makes a point would be a good start.

Dear Christopher Coulter. I don’t know enough of the backstory to understand why it is that you are so disrespectful to Robert. But you know what, it’s really becoming a bore. I think I know why Robert doesn’t do more to discourage or prevent you from posting here; it probably has everything to do with his philosophy about the sanctity of “the conversation”. I’d encourage Robert to think how he would react if your responses were translated to a live interaction. I can only tell you that in his shoes, I wouldn’t put up with it for five seconds.

Don’t (anyone) take this the wrong way. I’m all for a devils advocate. I’m all for an adult conversation in which people hold differing points of view. Not everyone is drinking the Microsoft Kool Aid. Based on what I’ve seen of Robert (in his blog and from podcasts and videos of his talks) he actually encourages challenge to established thinking, because such challenge is the beginning of change, and well thought out change is good.

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

Goebbbels - I hesitate to dignify your dross with a comment, and you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter. Stringing together something rational that makes a point would be a good start.

Dear Christopher Coulter. I don’t know enough of the backstory to understand why it is that you are so disrespectful to Robert. But you know what, it’s really becoming a bore. I think I know why Robert doesn’t do more to discourage or prevent you from posting here; it probably has everything to do with his philosophy about the sanctity of “the conversation”. I’d encourage Robert to think how he would react if your responses were translated to a live interaction. I can only tell you that in his shoes, I wouldn’t put up with it for five seconds.

Don’t (anyone) take this the wrong way. I’m all for a devils advocate. I’m all for an adult conversation in which people hold differing points of view. Not everyone is drinking the Microsoft Kool Aid. Based on what I’ve seen of Robert (in his blog and from podcasts and videos of his talks) he actually encourages challenge to established thinking, because such challenge is the beginning of change, and well thought out change is good.

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

Goebbbels - I hesitate to dignify your dross with a comment, and you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter. Stringing together something rational that makes a point would be a good start.

Phew, it’s gettin’ hot in here - comments seem to be edging over the line from insightful to insulting. If people aren’t interested in what is being said on this blog in the first place, why do they come and read it / post comments on it? Blogging may be going up, down or sideways but the number of comments generated here and elsewhere suggests that, at least for the time being, that it remains a phenomenon that allows for a new form of discourse - surely that in itself is a good thing?

Phew, it’s gettin’ hot in here - comments seem to be edging over the line from insightful to insulting. If people aren’t interested in what is being said on this blog in the first place, why do they come and read it / post comments on it? Blogging may be going up, down or sideways but the number of comments generated here and elsewhere suggests that, at least for the time being, that it remains a phenomenon that allows for a new form of discourse - surely that in itself is a good thing?

Phew, it’s gettin’ hot in here - comments seem to be edging over the line from insightful to insulting. If people aren’t interested in what is being said on this blog in the first place, why do they come and read it / post comments on it? Blogging may be going up, down or sideways but the number of comments generated here and elsewhere suggests that, at least for the time being, that it remains a phenomenon that allows for a new form of discourse - surely that in itself is a good thing?

Hugh had a rant at journos…that was the point Robert didn’t pick up upon and then being the scallywag he is, popped Apple in the proces - the company his son buys from? Hmmm…

Hugh had a rant at journos…that was the point Robert didn’t pick up upon and then being the scallywag he is, popped Apple in the proces - the company his son buys from? Hmmm…

Re: the often nasty tone of some comments. It’s becoming an obstacle to enjoying this blog. While I appreciate Robert’s dedication to free (naked) conversation and expression, there’s a reason that traditional media exercise editorial control regarding self-indulgent rants: it improves the experience for the majority of their audience.

What would the rules for comment moderation be on a blog dedicated to transparency?

Re: the often nasty tone of some comments. It’s becoming an obstacle to enjoying this blog. While I appreciate Robert’s dedication to free (naked) conversation and expression, there’s a reason that traditional media exercise editorial control regarding self-indulgent rants: it improves the experience for the majority of their audience.

What would the rules for comment moderation be on a blog dedicated to transparency?

Re: the often nasty tone of some comments. It’s becoming an obstacle to enjoying this blog. While I appreciate Robert’s dedication to free (naked) conversation and expression, there’s a reason that traditional media exercise editorial control regarding self-indulgent rants: it improves the experience for the majority of their audience.

What would the rules for comment moderation be on a blog dedicated to transparency?

Yes, I agree, Chris, either get a blog or shut up. If you want me to set you up your own blog come visit me on mine and I will gladly do so. It’s easy to spam someone’s blog with comments but how about growing a set and letting the world know who you really are? Do you have some new ideas to offer or are you just an angry comment spammer with a strange misguided focus on Robert Scoble?

I am serious about the blog offer thing, let’s see what you got dude.

Yes, I agree, Chris, either get a blog or shut up. If you want me to set you up your own blog come visit me on mine and I will gladly do so. It’s easy to spam someone’s blog with comments but how about growing a set and letting the world know who you really are? Do you have some new ideas to offer or are you just an angry comment spammer with a strange misguided focus on Robert Scoble?

I am serious about the blog offer thing, let’s see what you got dude.

Yes, I agree, Chris, either get a blog or shut up. If you want me to set you up your own blog come visit me on mine and I will gladly do so. It’s easy to spam someone’s blog with comments but how about growing a set and letting the world know who you really are? Do you have some new ideas to offer or are you just an angry comment spammer with a strange misguided focus on Robert Scoble?

I am serious about the blog offer thing, let’s see what you got dude.

Yeah, Hugh was having a rant at journo’s

Yeah, Hugh was having a rant at journo’s

Yeah, Hugh was having a rant at journo’s

You can always read the blog and not read the comments.

The Coulter and Goebbels comments are somewhere between interesting and entertaining - as much a fixture as the original post itself. If you’re reading on the web, you can skip Coulter’s comments easily: they come at you full speed - one glance at the page and you know who’s writing. I find it fun to read a post and then guess at the angle that the comment will come from. Who knows what the motivation is - does it matter?

The comments could be moderated down to first posts, dittos, and links to other blogs, but how interesting would that be. Popularity does not have to equal affirmation.

You can always read the blog and not read the comments.

The Coulter and Goebbels comments are somewhere between interesting and entertaining - as much a fixture as the original post itself. If you’re reading on the web, you can skip Coulter’s comments easily: they come at you full speed - one glance at the page and you know who’s writing. I find it fun to read a post and then guess at the angle that the comment will come from. Who knows what the motivation is - does it matter?

The comments could be moderated down to first posts, dittos, and links to other blogs, but how interesting would that be. Popularity does not have to equal affirmation.

You can always read the blog and not read the comments.

The Coulter and Goebbels comments are somewhere between interesting and entertaining - as much a fixture as the original post itself. If you’re reading on the web, you can skip Coulter’s comments easily: they come at you full speed - one glance at the page and you know who’s writing. I find it fun to read a post and then guess at the angle that the comment will come from. Who knows what the motivation is - does it matter?

The comments could be moderated down to first posts, dittos, and links to other blogs, but how interesting would that be. Popularity does not have to equal affirmation.

Jake - I want to read the blog and read the comments becuase I want to read the whole (naked) conversation. Whilst we are having that conversation what’s happening is that we have a small number of people spoiling it for the rest of us. I’m specifically identifying a difference between those wishing to takes issue with something Robert or anyone else says and those who bully their way into the conversation through an attempt to be the rudest or to shout the loudest. It is bullying and it is not acceptable behaviour. Together we can apply peer presssure and ask Coulter and Goebbels to desist. Or we can let a bullying minority spoil it for the majority.

Jake - I want to read the blog and read the comments becuase I want to read the whole (naked) conversation. Whilst we are having that conversation what’s happening is that we have a small number of people spoiling it for the rest of us. I’m specifically identifying a difference between those wishing to takes issue with something Robert or anyone else says and those who bully their way into the conversation through an attempt to be the rudest or to shout the loudest. It is bullying and it is not acceptable behaviour. Together we can apply peer presssure and ask Coulter and Goebbels to desist. Or we can let a bullying minority spoil it for the majority.

Jake - I want to read the blog and read the comments becuase I want to read the whole (naked) conversation. Whilst we are having that conversation what’s happening is that we have a small number of people spoiling it for the rest of us. I’m specifically identifying a difference between those wishing to takes issue with something Robert or anyone else says and those who bully their way into the conversation through an attempt to be the rudest or to shout the loudest. It is bullying and it is not acceptable behaviour. Together we can apply peer presssure and ask Coulter and Goebbels to desist. Or we can let a bullying minority spoil it for the majority.

Ah yes, when in doubt, make penis - size challenges. That is what all the “Chris Coulter’s not man enough to blog”. Sad.

The only bubble I see is the one that “a-list” bloggers have wrapped themselves in, and labeled “the blogosphere”. It lets them talk each other up until they convince themselves that they are just as well-known outside of their little circle jerk as people like Ted Koeppel, or even Walt Mossberg/David Pogue. It’s a glad-handing, self-congratulatory, feedback loop of ego and delusion. But it does have one obvious, shining characteristic:

Insecurity of big media. The jealousy and hatred of the Mossbergs and the Koeppels shines through, and it’s funny. Bloggers like Robert and Winer and the rest of their little “Loop of Dumb” cannot stand that Mossberg and Pogue can get in to places they can’t. That Walt or Pogue can talk to Steve Jobs any time they want and the bloggers have to beg for scraps.

Of course, they ignore the decades of work it took for folks at the Mossberg/Pogue level to get where they are. That’s because bloggers have a sense of entitlement that beggars the imagination, a work ethic that even a tree sloth would snicker at, and all the patience of a mayfly.

They also, by and large, have no respect whatsoever for accuracy, instead only caring about memetracker rankings and the glories of being first. Robert has demonstrated this on numerous occasions, usually with a fellow Microsoft worker as the victim. They also will happily dance on the line of NDA violations, just to show off the size of their blogowang. Again, Robert demonstrated this to a nigh-nauseating level prior to the 2005 Apple WWDC.

If bloggers want to get that level of respect, trust, and access, then they had better start earning it, rather than pointing at Technorati rankings and whining that they deserve it. They’d better be more willing to be correct and complete rather than just first, and they’d better show that you can tell them something in trust and not worry that they’ll dance around like a crack-addled monkey on a sugar high yelling “I know something you don’t know, and I’m not going to te-ell”.

Bloggers wishing to be treated like grown-up journalists should learn to behave the part.

Ah yes, when in doubt, make penis - size challenges. That is what all the “Chris Coulter’s not man enough to blog”. Sad.

The only bubble I see is the one that “a-list” bloggers have wrapped themselves in, and labeled “the blogosphere”. It lets them talk each other up until they convince themselves that they are just as well-known outside of their little circle jerk as people like Ted Koeppel, or even Walt Mossberg/David Pogue. It’s a glad-handing, self-congratulatory, feedback loop of ego and delusion. But it does have one obvious, shining characteristic:

Insecurity of big media. The jealousy and hatred of the Mossbergs and the Koeppels shines through, and it’s funny. Bloggers like Robert and Winer and the rest of their little “Loop of Dumb” cannot stand that Mossberg and Pogue can get in to places they can’t. That Walt or Pogue can talk to Steve Jobs any time they want and the bloggers have to beg for scraps.

Of course, they ignore the decades of work it took for folks at the Mossberg/Pogue level to get where they are. That’s because bloggers have a sense of entitlement that beggars the imagination, a work ethic that even a tree sloth would snicker at, and all the patience of a mayfly.

They also, by and large, have no respect whatsoever for accuracy, instead only caring about memetracker rankings and the glories of being first. Robert has demonstrated this on numerous occasions, usually with a fellow Microsoft worker as the victim. They also will happily dance on the line of NDA violations, just to show off the size of their blogowang. Again, Robert demonstrated this to a nigh-nauseating level prior to the 2005 Apple WWDC.

If bloggers want to get that level of respect, trust, and access, then they had better start earning it, rather than pointing at Technorati rankings and whining that they deserve it. They’d better be more willing to be correct and complete rather than just first, and they’d better show that you can tell them something in trust and not worry that they’ll dance around like a crack-addled monkey on a sugar high yelling “I know something you don’t know, and I’m not going to te-ell”.

Bloggers wishing to be treated like grown-up journalists should learn to behave the part.

Ah yes, when in doubt, make penis - size challenges. That is what all the “Chris Coulter’s not man enough to blog”. Sad.

The only bubble I see is the one that “a-list” bloggers have wrapped themselves in, and labeled “the blogosphere”. It lets them talk each other up until they convince themselves that they are just as well-known outside of their little circle jerk as people like Ted Koeppel, or even Walt Mossberg/David Pogue. It’s a glad-handing, self-congratulatory, feedback loop of ego and delusion. But it does have one obvious, shining characteristic:

Insecurity of big media. The jealousy and hatred of the Mossbergs and the Koeppels shines through, and it’s funny. Bloggers like Robert and Winer and the rest of their little “Loop of Dumb” cannot stand that Mossberg and Pogue can get in to places they can’t. That Walt or Pogue can talk to Steve Jobs any time they want and the bloggers have to beg for scraps.

Of course, they ignore the decades of work it took for folks at the Mossberg/Pogue level to get where they are. That’s because bloggers have a sense of entitlement that beggars the imagination, a work ethic that even a tree sloth would snicker at, and all the patience of a mayfly.

They also, by and large, have no respect whatsoever for accuracy, instead only caring about memetracker rankings and the glories of being first. Robert has demonstrated this on numerous occasions, usually with a fellow Microsoft worker as the victim. They also will happily dance on the line of NDA violations, just to show off the size of their blogowang. Again, Robert demonstrated this to a nigh-nauseating level prior to the 2005 Apple WWDC.

If bloggers want to get that level of respect, trust, and access, then they had better start earning it, rather than pointing at Technorati rankings and whining that they deserve it. They’d better be more willing to be correct and complete rather than just first, and they’d better show that you can tell them something in trust and not worry that they’ll dance around like a crack-addled monkey on a sugar high yelling “I know something you don’t know, and I’m not going to te-ell”.

Bloggers wishing to be treated like grown-up journalists should learn to behave the part.

For some reason, I don’t think peer pressure is going to work here.

They’re not in the room with you. They’re not shouting. They’re not bullying you or literally in your face. It’s just words on the screen. You can ignore them.

For some reason, I don’t think peer pressure is going to work here.

They’re not in the room with you. They’re not shouting. They’re not bullying you or literally in your face. It’s just words on the screen. You can ignore them.

For some reason, I don’t think peer pressure is going to work here.

They’re not in the room with you. They’re not shouting. They’re not bullying you or literally in your face. It’s just words on the screen. You can ignore them.

Jake: I agree with you. People who are rude to other people online do it to get attention toward themselves. They WANT a fight and relish it (and the attention it brings).

Jake: I agree with you. People who are rude to other people online do it to get attention toward themselves. They WANT a fight and relish it (and the attention it brings).

Jake: I agree with you. People who are rude to other people online do it to get attention toward themselves. They WANT a fight and relish it (and the attention it brings).

Steve - Coulter’s comment, while overly harsh, does bring up a valid point: at what point is this whole thing not a fad? I happen to believe that it isn’t one, but when compared to MSM, we (bloggers as a whole) haven’t been around that long. Coulter does personalize this argument, but that doesn’t make it any less valid, just less likely to be view as such.

Goebbels seems to be a bit angrier and should probably get a livejournal devoted to hating Scoble. I don’t really see any benefit from anything he said including his personal attacks.

Steve - Coulter’s comment, while overly harsh, does bring up a valid point: at what point is this whole thing not a fad? I happen to believe that it isn’t one, but when compared to MSM, we (bloggers as a whole) haven’t been around that long. Coulter does personalize this argument, but that doesn’t make it any less valid, just less likely to be view as such.

Goebbels seems to be a bit angrier and should probably get a livejournal devoted to hating Scoble. I don’t really see any benefit from anything he said including his personal attacks.

Steve - Coulter’s comment, while overly harsh, does bring up a valid point: at what point is this whole thing not a fad? I happen to believe that it isn’t one, but when compared to MSM, we (bloggers as a whole) haven’t been around that long. Coulter does personalize this argument, but that doesn’t make it any less valid, just less likely to be view as such.

Goebbels seems to be a bit angrier and should probably get a livejournal devoted to hating Scoble. I don’t really see any benefit from anything he said including his personal attacks.

Hmmm… Scoble’s initial point about Dvorak’s wild posting and the flypaper effect it has is still quite valid. Dvorak as “iconoclast within the mac faithful” is a strange outgrowth of the tech fanboy religion petrie dish. He is kind of a “Jew for Jesus”.

Can you imagine anyone getting worked up and macho about what brand of pencils they use? I am an EBERHARD FABER man and only pussies use TICONDEROGAS!

Keep going Scobelizer!

Hmmm… Scoble’s initial point about Dvorak’s wild posting and the flypaper effect it has is still quite valid. Dvorak as “iconoclast within the mac faithful” is a strange outgrowth of the tech fanboy religion petrie dish. He is kind of a “Jew for Jesus”.

Can you imagine anyone getting worked up and macho about what brand of pencils they use? I am an EBERHARD FABER man and only pussies use TICONDEROGAS!

Keep going Scobelizer!

Hmmm… Scoble’s initial point about Dvorak’s wild posting and the flypaper effect it has is still quite valid. Dvorak as “iconoclast within the mac faithful” is a strange outgrowth of the tech fanboy religion petrie dish. He is kind of a “Jew for Jesus”.

Can you imagine anyone getting worked up and macho about what brand of pencils they use? I am an EBERHARD FABER man and only pussies use TICONDEROGAS!

Keep going Scobelizer!

Thanks for the sideswipe there John. And actually you’re dead wrong about my stance being a penis - size challenge. I’ll say it one more time: Chris Coulter’s behaviour is rude, it’s bullying, and it’s unacceptable. There is nothing sad about standing up to a bully.

Thanks for the sideswipe there John. And actually you’re dead wrong about my stance being a penis - size challenge. I’ll say it one more time: Chris Coulter’s behaviour is rude, it’s bullying, and it’s unacceptable. There is nothing sad about standing up to a bully.

Thanks for the sideswipe there John. And actually you’re dead wrong about my stance being a penis - size challenge. I’ll say it one more time: Chris Coulter’s behaviour is rude, it’s bullying, and it’s unacceptable. There is nothing sad about standing up to a bully.

I find the Coulter and Welch comments odd in so many ways. The primary thing is the “broad brush dipped in vitriol” rant against bloggers in general. If it’s a fad, fine. It’ll just go away and we’ll all go on being happy. In the meantime, continually shouting that something is a fad and it’ll go away any day now simply makes one looks like a complete moron. It’s akin to screaming continuously that flying or the Internet is a fad. If it’s a beanie baby, it’ll just go away on its own; no shouting needed. Accusations of Mossberg jealousy are doubly strange. I’ve never detected any jealousy from Robert’s part against journalism. He’s not against mainstream journalism, he’s for blogging. It seems to me like some people have taken the latter for the former, which is just weird. It’s not a dichotomy of opposites. Asking them to “act” like grown-up journalists is not only childish but misguided. Jayson Blair, anyone? It just shows that even journalists at professional institutions are perfectly capable of doing foolish things. Human nature, not blogger specific. Of course, in a previous thread, Coulter pointed at the Register as a source of information. That, as we all know, is a “real” publication which is a bastion of journalistic integrity.

And as Steve Newson says, what’s the point in responding to a cowardly troll like Goebbels? At least Coulter and Welch use their (presumably) real names.

As always, feel free to avoid a online site that one actually has to physically visit in order to be offended. Save us all the trouble. Be strong. Resist the temptation that is Scoble and stay away.

I find the Coulter and Welch comments odd in so many ways. The primary thing is the “broad brush dipped in vitriol” rant against bloggers in general. If it’s a fad, fine. It’ll just go away and we’ll all go on being happy. In the meantime, continually shouting that something is a fad and it’ll go away any day now simply makes one looks like a complete moron. It’s akin to screaming continuously that flying or the Internet is a fad. If it’s a beanie baby, it’ll just go away on its own; no shouting needed. Accusations of Mossberg jealousy are doubly strange. I’ve never detected any jealousy from Robert’s part against journalism. He’s not against mainstream journalism, he’s for blogging. It seems to me like some people have taken the latter for the former, which is just weird. It’s not a dichotomy of opposites. Asking them to “act” like grown-up journalists is not only childish but misguided. Jayson Blair, anyone? It just shows that even journalists at professional institutions are perfectly capable of doing foolish things. Human nature, not blogger specific. Of course, in a previous thread, Coulter pointed at the Register as a source of information. That, as we all know, is a “real” publication which is a bastion of journalistic integrity.

And as Steve Newson says, what’s the point in responding to a cowardly troll like Goebbels? At least Coulter and Welch use their (presumably) real names.

As always, feel free to avoid a online site that one actually has to physically visit in order to be offended. Save us all the trouble. Be strong. Resist the temptation that is Scoble and stay away.

I find the Coulter and Welch comments odd in so many ways. The primary thing is the “broad brush dipped in vitriol” rant against bloggers in general. If it’s a fad, fine. It’ll just go away and we’ll all go on being happy. In the meantime, continually shouting that something is a fad and it’ll go away any day now simply makes one looks like a complete moron. It’s akin to screaming continuously that flying or the Internet is a fad. If it’s a beanie baby, it’ll just go away on its own; no shouting needed. Accusations of Mossberg jealousy are doubly strange. I’ve never detected any jealousy from Robert’s part against journalism. He’s not against mainstream journalism, he’s for blogging. It seems to me like some people have taken the latter for the former, which is just weird. It’s not a dichotomy of opposites. Asking them to “act” like grown-up journalists is not only childish but misguided. Jayson Blair, anyone? It just shows that even journalists at professional institutions are perfectly capable of doing foolish things. Human nature, not blogger specific. Of course, in a previous thread, Coulter pointed at the Register as a source of information. That, as we all know, is a “real” publication which is a bastion of journalistic integrity.

And as Steve Newson says, what’s the point in responding to a cowardly troll like Goebbels? At least Coulter and Welch use their (presumably) real names.

As always, feel free to avoid a online site that one actually has to physically visit in order to be offended. Save us all the trouble. Be strong. Resist the temptation that is Scoble and stay away.

Damon, I link to my site in every post I make. Decide for yourself how real my name is. Warning, if you (for some odd reason), google it, you want to use the”C.” and you want the whole thing in quotes, otherwise, you get buried by Jack/John Welch of GE fame links, who is, for good reason, far better known than i am.

As well, Robert has, on numerous occasions, done the whole “If you only talk to ‘Big Media’ then you don’t talk to bloggers and you fail, only bloggers count” schtick.” So yeah, he’s a part of it. He’s just smarter than most at not appearing to be a part of it.

Obviously all media outlets have their problem children, but only bloggers take pride in the statement “Being first is more important than being correct”. Robert said it point blank a while back, then retracted it because it burned him not ten posts later, and then quietly went back to shooting his mouth off without getting all the facts, because “microsoft is just too big to email people”. Face it, the members of The Scoble Feedback Loop, (TSFL) never met a fact they couldn’t ignore if doing so made them first.

Robert has set himself up as one of the Kings of Blogging, well, there’s good and bad with that. If he doesn’t want the harsh light of fame, stop blogging, and make happy films for Channel 9, and push tablet PCs, both of which are what he gets paid to do.

And Steve? This comment?

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

That’s “If you were a MAN, you’d have a blog too!”. When you disparage someone’s courage, that’s a penis size attack. Perhaps you should examine your own issues. The whole “STEVE NEWSOME, BULLY - KICKER OF THE DOWNTRODDEN” thing is silly.

Robert loves this crap. He puts out some of the most baiting posts on the planet, and then plays the “oh, poor me, i’m just a down home guy writing a blog, and people are so mean to me”, just to drive up traffic. Pfah. I’ll give Robert credit, he’s a bloody master at image manipulation. He’s not quite a Dvorak or an Enderle, which is good, it shows he still has ethics in his work. But yeah, I don’t buy into his “aw shucks” image for a second, he’s too experienced in the PR game, and been doing it too long. No one makes sure to talk about themselves that much when they aren’t trying to build a brand name around their name.

But it is fun, I have to admit.

Damon, I link to my site in every post I make. Decide for yourself how real my name is. Warning, if you (for some odd reason), google it, you want to use the”C.” and you want the whole thing in quotes, otherwise, you get buried by Jack/John Welch of GE fame links, who is, for good reason, far better known than i am.

As well, Robert has, on numerous occasions, done the whole “If you only talk to ‘Big Media’ then you don’t talk to bloggers and you fail, only bloggers count” schtick.” So yeah, he’s a part of it. He’s just smarter than most at not appearing to be a part of it.

Obviously all media outlets have their problem children, but only bloggers take pride in the statement “Being first is more important than being correct”. Robert said it point blank a while back, then retracted it because it burned him not ten posts later, and then quietly went back to shooting his mouth off without getting all the facts, because “microsoft is just too big to email people”. Face it, the members of The Scoble Feedback Loop, (TSFL) never met a fact they couldn’t ignore if doing so made them first.

Robert has set himself up as one of the Kings of Blogging, well, there’s good and bad with that. If he doesn’t want the harsh light of fame, stop blogging, and make happy films for Channel 9, and push tablet PCs, both of which are what he gets paid to do.

And Steve? This comment?

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

That’s “If you were a MAN, you’d have a blog too!”. When you disparage someone’s courage, that’s a penis size attack. Perhaps you should examine your own issues. The whole “STEVE NEWSOME, BULLY - KICKER OF THE DOWNTRODDEN” thing is silly.

Robert loves this crap. He puts out some of the most baiting posts on the planet, and then plays the “oh, poor me, i’m just a down home guy writing a blog, and people are so mean to me”, just to drive up traffic. Pfah. I’ll give Robert credit, he’s a bloody master at image manipulation. He’s not quite a Dvorak or an Enderle, which is good, it shows he still has ethics in his work. But yeah, I don’t buy into his “aw shucks” image for a second, he’s too experienced in the PR game, and been doing it too long. No one makes sure to talk about themselves that much when they aren’t trying to build a brand name around their name.

But it is fun, I have to admit.

Damon, I link to my site in every post I make. Decide for yourself how real my name is. Warning, if you (for some odd reason), google it, you want to use the”C.” and you want the whole thing in quotes, otherwise, you get buried by Jack/John Welch of GE fame links, who is, for good reason, far better known than i am.

As well, Robert has, on numerous occasions, done the whole “If you only talk to ‘Big Media’ then you don’t talk to bloggers and you fail, only bloggers count” schtick.” So yeah, he’s a part of it. He’s just smarter than most at not appearing to be a part of it.

Obviously all media outlets have their problem children, but only bloggers take pride in the statement “Being first is more important than being correct”. Robert said it point blank a while back, then retracted it because it burned him not ten posts later, and then quietly went back to shooting his mouth off without getting all the facts, because “microsoft is just too big to email people”. Face it, the members of The Scoble Feedback Loop, (TSFL) never met a fact they couldn’t ignore if doing so made them first.

Robert has set himself up as one of the Kings of Blogging, well, there’s good and bad with that. If he doesn’t want the harsh light of fame, stop blogging, and make happy films for Channel 9, and push tablet PCs, both of which are what he gets paid to do.

And Steve? This comment?

Chris, I have a blog that’s linked from this comment and I could really do with the traffic and comments… it would make my day if you would come and leave some input over there. I’d come to your place but I see that you haven’t yet had the courage to open your own thoughts to the same cutting edge dissection that you seem to think Robert deserves.

That’s “If you were a MAN, you’d have a blog too!”. When you disparage someone’s courage, that’s a penis size attack. Perhaps you should examine your own issues. The whole “STEVE NEWSOME, BULLY - KICKER OF THE DOWNTRODDEN” thing is silly.

Robert loves this crap. He puts out some of the most baiting posts on the planet, and then plays the “oh, poor me, i’m just a down home guy writing a blog, and people are so mean to me”, just to drive up traffic. Pfah. I’ll give Robert credit, he’s a bloody master at image manipulation. He’s not quite a Dvorak or an Enderle, which is good, it shows he still has ethics in his work. But yeah, I don’t buy into his “aw shucks” image for a second, he’s too experienced in the PR game, and been doing it too long. No one makes sure to talk about themselves that much when they aren’t trying to build a brand name around their name.

But it is fun, I have to admit.

No one takes John C. Dvorak seriously hell he doesn’t even take himself seriously, thats what makes him memorable. He likes to stir the pot…who doesn’. Is that not what this whole blogging thing is about?

Sidenote: John C. Welch comment #18, I love the use of the term “blogowang”, does that have a wiki entry yet? In the future it would be great if you could fit a “no talent ass clown” in their somewhere for posterity.

No one takes John C. Dvorak seriously hell he doesn’t even take himself seriously, thats what makes him memorable. He likes to stir the pot…who doesn’. Is that not what this whole blogging thing is about?

Sidenote: John C. Welch comment #18, I love the use of the term “blogowang”, does that have a wiki entry yet? In the future it would be great if you could fit a “no talent ass clown” in their somewhere for posterity.

No one takes John C. Dvorak seriously hell he doesn’t even take himself seriously, thats what makes him memorable. He likes to stir the pot…who doesn’. Is that not what this whole blogging thing is about?

Sidenote: John C. Welch comment #18, I love the use of the term “blogowang”, does that have a wiki entry yet? In the future it would be great if you could fit a “no talent ass clown” in their somewhere for posterity.

John - that’s Steve NEWSON. If you’re going to pick a fight with me at least do me the courtesy of spelling my name right.

This blog (scobleizer) is about blogging. It’s about having a (naked) conversation. It’s about real people having conversations, not committe driven PR bullshit. People aren’t perfect. I never said I was.

What I did say was that Chris Coulter was a bully.

I did imply that he should start his own blog so that he could feel what it was like to write a blog and have someone like himself make personal attacks, because personal attacks are hurtful and spiteful. My comment stands, it was my attempt to get Chris to tone down the nature of the personal attacks, what I called earlier in my first post the level of disrespect. I stand by that and my view that this isn’t about penis size. It’s anything but.

It’s about common courtesy and decency.

John - that’s Steve NEWSON. If you’re going to pick a fight with me at least do me the courtesy of spelling my name right.

This blog (scobleizer) is about blogging. It’s about having a (naked) conversation. It’s about real people having conversations, not committe driven PR bullshit. People aren’t perfect. I never said I was.

What I did say was that Chris Coulter was a bully.

I did imply that he should start his own blog so that he could feel what it was like to write a blog and have someone like himself make personal attacks, because personal attacks are hurtful and spiteful. My comment stands, it was my attempt to get Chris to tone down the nature of the personal attacks, what I called earlier in my first post the level of disrespect. I stand by that and my view that this isn’t about penis size. It’s anything but.

It’s about common courtesy and decency.

John - that’s Steve NEWSON. If you’re going to pick a fight with me at least do me the courtesy of spelling my name right.

This blog (scobleizer) is about blogging. It’s about having a (naked) conversation. It’s about real people having conversations, not committe driven PR bullshit. People aren’t perfect. I never said I was.

What I did say was that Chris Coulter was a bully.

I did imply that he should start his own blog so that he could feel what it was like to write a blog and have someone like himself make personal attacks, because personal attacks are hurtful and spiteful. My comment stands, it was my attempt to get Chris to tone down the nature of the personal attacks, what I called earlier in my first post the level of disrespect. I stand by that and my view that this isn’t about penis size. It’s anything but.

It’s about common courtesy and decency.

Geeeeeeeeeeees, too much time on our hands!!! Go watch Daytona if it’s too cold to go outside folks! Jealosuy, anger, misguided motives, substantive coversation, whatever. Go have some life folks, trust an old guy, it’s to short!

Geeeeeeeeeeees, too much time on our hands!!! Go watch Daytona if it’s too cold to go outside folks! Jealosuy, anger, misguided motives, substantive coversation, whatever. Go have some life folks, trust an old guy, it’s to short!

Geeeeeeeeeeees, too much time on our hands!!! Go watch Daytona if it’s too cold to go outside folks! Jealosuy, anger, misguided motives, substantive coversation, whatever. Go have some life folks, trust an old guy, it’s to short!

I don’t believe John C is making a prediction, this whole subject was presented to Devorak who at first rejected the idea, while to many including myself it sounds silly, it does in other ways make sense, it would put apple in a position to take advantage of many things that were in the past closed to them.

This all a waist of energy for now, but the next six months or so will tell.

I don’t believe John C is making a prediction, this whole subject was presented to Devorak who at first rejected the idea, while to many including myself it sounds silly, it does in other ways make sense, it would put apple in a position to take advantage of many things that were in the past closed to them.

This all a waist of energy for now, but the next six months or so will tell.

I don’t believe John C is making a prediction, this whole subject was presented to Devorak who at first rejected the idea, while to many including myself it sounds silly, it does in other ways make sense, it would put apple in a position to take advantage of many things that were in the past closed to them.

This all a waist of energy for now, but the next six months or so will tell.

Steve, when you attack someone’s courage, that’s just as bullying as what you accuse them of. You’re now trying to bully Chris into a blog just so you can attack him there. That’s the only reason, a childish tit for tat game. Nothing more. If you’re going to try and be the Defender of Decency, then attempting to manipulate someone into allowing you to more easily personally attack them is a tad hypocritical. By the way, if you want “naked conversations”, (lord, another friggin’ lamer PR Shill catchphrase), then you take the good with the bad, and maybe learn from both. If all Robert wants is ego stroking, that’s attainable. The fact that, even amongst the whining about it, he doesn’t limit participation to a round of “Kiss Robert’s Behind” is impressive, and earns him some real respect, or at least it should.

However, this blog (scobleizer) is all about PR. It should, in fact go down as one of the most brilliant anti-PR PR moves in history. Really, it’s about as anti-PR as a Senator claiming to be a DC outsider. Robert is very careful as to who he goes to dinners with, and he makes sure that it’s always part of his “blogosphere”.

Robert’s a brilliant PR person, and Microsoft is lucky to have him. But if you think that anyone able to critically analyze this site thinks its anything but PR, then I’ll say you’re probably a bit too trusting.

Steve, when you attack someone’s courage, that’s just as bullying as what you accuse them of. You’re now trying to bully Chris into a blog just so you can attack him there. That’s the only reason, a childish tit for tat game. Nothing more. If you’re going to try and be the Defender of Decency, then attempting to manipulate someone into allowing you to more easily personally attack them is a tad hypocritical. By the way, if you want “naked conversations”, (lord, another friggin’ lamer PR Shill catchphrase), then you take the good with the bad, and maybe learn from both. If all Robert wants is ego stroking, that’s attainable. The fact that, even amongst the whining about it, he doesn’t limit participation to a round of “Kiss Robert’s Behind” is impressive, and earns him some real respect, or at least it should.

However, this blog (scobleizer) is all about PR. It should, in fact go down as one of the most brilliant anti-PR PR moves in history. Really, it’s about as anti-PR as a Senator claiming to be a DC outsider. Robert is very careful as to who he goes to dinners with, and he makes sure that it’s always part of his “blogosphere”.

Robert’s a brilliant PR person, and Microsoft is lucky to have him. But if you think that anyone able to critically analyze this site thinks its anything but PR, then I’ll say you’re probably a bit too trusting.

Steve, when you attack someone’s courage, that’s just as bullying as what you accuse them of. You’re now trying to bully Chris into a blog just so you can attack him there. That’s the only reason, a childish tit for tat game. Nothing more. If you’re going to try and be the Defender of Decency, then attempting to manipulate someone into allowing you to more easily personally attack them is a tad hypocritical. By the way, if you want “naked conversations”, (lord, another friggin’ lamer PR Shill catchphrase), then you take the good with the bad, and maybe learn from both. If all Robert wants is ego stroking, that’s attainable. The fact that, even amongst the whining about it, he doesn’t limit participation to a round of “Kiss Robert’s Behind” is impressive, and earns him some real respect, or at least it should.

However, this blog (scobleizer) is all about PR. It should, in fact go down as one of the most brilliant anti-PR PR moves in history. Really, it’s about as anti-PR as a Senator claiming to be a DC outsider. Robert is very careful as to who he goes to dinners with, and he makes sure that it’s always part of his “blogosphere”.

Robert’s a brilliant PR person, and Microsoft is lucky to have him. But if you think that anyone able to critically analyze this site thinks its anything but PR, then I’ll say you’re probably a bit too trusting.

Is it me (as a newbie), or have I seen bloggers that I liked reading only a few months ago, go completely berserk?
I can’t seem to skip through the nagging and whining posts and comments (not only here) fast enough anymore. What’s with all this moaning about A-lists, haves and have-nots, blog stats and who’s in or who’s not, all about?
Please write (and comment) on the fun and interesting things again.
Not that I’d be missed, but I’m really turning towards the non-professionals these days, where nice people post once in a while about the nice (or even bad) things that happened to them. If that makes me the soft-hearted sucker, at least it makes me happier when spending my time on the web.
Good luck.

Is it me (as a newbie), or have I seen bloggers that I liked reading only a few months ago, go completely berserk?
I can’t seem to skip through the nagging and whining posts and comments (not only here) fast enough anymore. What’s with all this moaning about A-lists, haves and have-nots, blog stats and who’s in or who’s not, all about?
Please write (and comment) on the fun and interesting things again.
Not that I’d be missed, but I’m really turning towards the non-professionals these days, where nice people post once in a while about the nice (or even bad) things that happened to them. If that makes me the soft-hearted sucker, at least it makes me happier when spending my time on the web.
Good luck.

Is it me (as a newbie), or have I seen bloggers that I liked reading only a few months ago, go completely berserk?
I can’t seem to skip through the nagging and whining posts and comments (not only here) fast enough anymore. What’s with all this moaning about A-lists, haves and have-nots, blog stats and who’s in or who’s not, all about?
Please write (and comment) on the fun and interesting things again.
Not that I’d be missed, but I’m really turning towards the non-professionals these days, where nice people post once in a while about the nice (or even bad) things that happened to them. If that makes me the soft-hearted sucker, at least it makes me happier when spending my time on the web.
Good luck.

Why should Chris Coulter start a blog? He gets more readers commenting here.

Not that anyone remembers what he says for more than five mintues, of course…

Why should Chris Coulter start a blog? He gets more readers commenting here.

Not that anyone remembers what he says for more than five mintues, of course…

Why should Chris Coulter start a blog? He gets more readers commenting here.

Not that anyone remembers what he says for more than five mintues, of course…

John - I’m not sure where I’m failing to get my point across to you but here’s a final try - if Chris put himself in Scoble’s shoes for one nanosecond he’d appreciate how spiteful he was being given the personal nature of his attacks. If my obviously pitiful attempt to say that is, in your opinion, as bullying as Coulter is being then so be it, but I don’t see it that way.

I’m hoping this can be my last comment on this subject because one of the lessons I’m taking from Robert’s and Hugh’s comments is that I’m probably giving the ranters exactly what they want by rising to the bait.

John - I’m not sure where I’m failing to get my point across to you but here’s a final try - if Chris put himself in Scoble’s shoes for one nanosecond he’d appreciate how spiteful he was being given the personal nature of his attacks. If my obviously pitiful attempt to say that is, in your opinion, as bullying as Coulter is being then so be it, but I don’t see it that way.

I’m hoping this can be my last comment on this subject because one of the lessons I’m taking from Robert’s and Hugh’s comments is that I’m probably giving the ranters exactly what they want by rising to the bait.

John - I’m not sure where I’m failing to get my point across to you but here’s a final try - if Chris put himself in Scoble’s shoes for one nanosecond he’d appreciate how spiteful he was being given the personal nature of his attacks. If my obviously pitiful attempt to say that is, in your opinion, as bullying as Coulter is being then so be it, but I don’t see it that way.

I’m hoping this can be my last comment on this subject because one of the lessons I’m taking from Robert’s and Hugh’s comments is that I’m probably giving the ranters exactly what they want by rising to the bait.

John C. Welsh does hit on a key point about bloggers-Scoble in particular. That is the issue of not wanting to be right, but rather be first. Scoble’s blog is rife with examples of that. And, as John points out, when he gets called on it he simple resorts to the “Ah shucks. Well, sorry! But, that’s the beauty of blogging… the truth will eventually come out…” (“But in the mean time, look how making links and referrals I got back to my blog to soldify my even more as an “A-lister”- whatever he hell that self important blogging term means.)

I’m finding more and more the political blogs to be much more credible and more of a threat to MSM than these spank-bank techno blogs. They self police much more than the geeks do. Because they are not so obsessed with visibility, validation and made up rankings. They are also, for the most part, much more concerned with being right than being first (See:”Rathergate”).

And lets not fool ourselves. Scoble’s blog is about Scoble and what he can do to maintain his pseudo A-list ranking and remain relevant in the made up blogosphere. It seems that for the last few weeks, not a week goes by where he hasn’t posted about what it takes for him to maintain his A-list ranking. Makes one wonder if he’s not wondering if the Slate author has a point.

John C. Welsh does hit on a key point about bloggers-Scoble in particular. That is the issue of not wanting to be right, but rather be first. Scoble’s blog is rife with examples of that. And, as John points out, when he gets called on it he simple resorts to the “Ah shucks. Well, sorry! But, that’s the beauty of blogging… the truth will eventually come out…” (“But in the mean time, look how making links and referrals I got back to my blog to soldify my even more as an “A-lister”- whatever he hell that self important blogging term means.)

I’m finding more and more the political blogs to be much more credible and more of a threat to MSM than these spank-bank techno blogs. They self police much more than the geeks do. Because they are not so obsessed with visibility, validation and made up rankings. They are also, for the most part, much more concerned with being right than being first (See:”Rathergate”).

And lets not fool ourselves. Scoble’s blog is about Scoble and what he can do to maintain his pseudo A-list ranking and remain relevant in the made up blogosphere. It seems that for the last few weeks, not a week goes by where he hasn’t posted about what it takes for him to maintain his A-list ranking. Makes one wonder if he’s not wondering if the Slate author has a point.

John C. Welsh does hit on a key point about bloggers-Scoble in particular. That is the issue of not wanting to be right, but rather be first. Scoble’s blog is rife with examples of that. And, as John points out, when he gets called on it he simple resorts to the “Ah shucks. Well, sorry! But, that’s the beauty of blogging… the truth will eventually come out…” (“But in the mean time, look how making links and referrals I got back to my blog to soldify my even more as an “A-lister”- whatever he hell that self important blogging term means.)

I’m finding more and more the political blogs to be much more credible and more of a threat to MSM than these spank-bank techno blogs. They self police much more than the geeks do. Because they are not so obsessed with visibility, validation and made up rankings. They are also, for the most part, much more concerned with being right than being first (See:”Rathergate”).

And lets not fool ourselves. Scoble’s blog is about Scoble and what he can do to maintain his pseudo A-list ranking and remain relevant in the made up blogosphere. It seems that for the last few weeks, not a week goes by where he hasn’t posted about what it takes for him to maintain his A-list ranking. Makes one wonder if he’s not wondering if the Slate author has a point.

Robert, What’s your oppinion on the Devorak Article.

Have you heard anything?

Robert, What’s your oppinion on the Devorak Article.

Have you heard anything?

Robert, What’s your oppinion on the Devorak Article.

Have you heard anything?

Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

Again Steve, the only reason you want Chris to have a blog is so that you can attack him there. That’s it. You don’t care if he learns anything from it, you just want an easier target. that’s kind of sad if you think about it.

Protestations to the contrary are just you trying to justify it in your mind.

John - you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge - fine. Argue - fine. Contradictory opinion - fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

John - you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge - fine. Argue - fine. Contradictory opinion - fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

John - you’re so missing the point but then we have reached that stage in the exchange where you don’t care what I say.

I don’t want to attack him there. I don’t want to attack him here. I want him to stop his personal attacks. Challenge - fine. Argue - fine. Contradictory opinion - fine. Making it personal crosses the line. I totally care that he learns something. Some decent behaviour would be a good start.

Clearly i can’t win with you. And probably not with him.

My sincere apologies to everyone for taking up so much bandwidth on such a waste of time. Sorry.

Awww, poor babies.

Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

Awww, poor babies.

Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

Awww, poor babies.

Let me break it down: no, I don’t want attention. I “use” thename Goebbels to remain anonymous (remain when the web was supposed to foster anonymous, free interchange — then a couple of web snobs get together and claim blogs is the shit and now anonymity is a bad word. Boo hoo!) and to call attention to Scoble’s propaganda. Scoble has my email address. We have communicated through private channels, and if he has an issue with me, I wish he do so.

I wish this has spurred debate rather than a bunch of posts whining over inane etiquette. Get over it. It’s the web.

And finally, my point (apparently hidden beneath sharp but also humorous remarks) was that:

95% of what the “elite” technogeek bloggers blog about is a bubble. They are unaware of their own hype. They are even unaware that they aren’t talking about anything new. They are unaware that their medium isn’t new or anything special: yes, it has certain unique qualities of immediacy, but despite the claims of democratizing, free speech, etc… We have corporate blogs, paid blogs, blogs that are just PR, we have blogs that are money machines that are now a part of traditional media, we have journalists using blogs just as they used email and oped pages, we have kids using blogs as journals. Big deal. Me and several others told Scoble three years ago that at some point blog hype with have to die because he woudl realize that like journals, newspapers, TV, etc… it would be integrated into mainstream media with all its good and its bad (censorship, money, advertising, poor content, redundent content, an “elect” minority that is heard over the many voices, etc…

It is truly pathetic within the tech sector where they think they have some ownership of the medium while they ignore the factthat most blogs are kiddies writing about falling asleep in English or getting into some girl’s pants. They have a constant need to keep talking about the medium over and over and over…

And then Scoble has the balls to tryto criticize or call out anyone? It’s been a long time since he’s had an idea, and when he did usually he was just trumpeting someone else’s idea. Now, the majority of his posts are: look at this geek conference where we pulled each other’s puds, or look at this trip I took, or look at this tiny little company that I have no influence over or look at this comment made by this blogger that was already made 3 years ago…

Where are the confident strident predictions that Microsoft woudl be delivering rewarding redeeming products, where are the claims that RSS and other technologies would be revolutionized by MS because they get its importance and are the only ones who cando the whole package, where are the claims that MS has a brilliant media strategy, that it’s open, that PlayForSure is superior, where are the inciteful claims that the iPod’s dominance would end through MS’s partnership with cheap manufacturers?

This is a geek’s blog. A geek who does marketing for Microsoft. A geek who claims to be at the forefront and a major advocate of certain technologies. But in fact, if that’s true, his blog posts suggests its just hype or he’s failing.

That’s my point. Yes, maybe I offended some poor souls, butI think my first post expressed it and more succinctly. If people weren’t babies, I wouldn’t even havehad to post twice. Peace, y’all.

then why did you want him to get a blog so that he could be attacked and “learn what it feels like”?

what other purpose would him having a blog serve for you?

then why did you want him to get a blog so that he could be attacked and “learn what it feels like”?

what other purpose would him having a blog serve for you?

then why did you want him to get a blog so that he could be attacked and “learn what it feels like”?

what other purpose would him having a blog serve for you?

And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

And here we have it, Scoblisem at it’ best. Each post in anybody’s blog has the potential to be a bubble, personally I like to read Scoble’s stuff because I like the job he has. I have never met him and from what I have seen from his work on channel 9 and this blog, I would enjoy having a job where I interview and publish to the web without a PR filtering or an editor. Yes Robert has editedsome of his posts but so what.
From what I can tell, the whole purpose of a naked conversation is have a talk about anything you want and see what and how people will react and comment.
This paticular blog, for some reason has generated a lot of comments that ask for or comment on restrictions or editing of comments because of the content of that comment. I do not agree, why publish in an open enviorment unless you want several people from all walks and talks to say something about it.
Robert, in your next book, you might want to focus on what it takes to get where you personally are. The reason for this is we keep seeing people comment on your belives, reasons, and loyalties. I wonder how accurate all of these folks are.
If you ever get tied of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

And while we are wishing and bashing, could somebody add a spell checker to comments, I know mis spelling keeps this real, but man sometimes it gets rough:

If you ever get tired of doing this (Scoblizing) let me know, I would love to take a whack at this!

I don’t understand what is stood to be gained from winning an argument about whether blogging is a fad or not.

Blogging is what it is. What makes a particular blog important isn’t whether it is a fad or not, but whether it is consistently a quality means of communication.

I don’t understand what is stood to be gained from winning an argument about whether blogging is a fad or not.

Blogging is what it is. What makes a particular blog important isn’t whether it is a fad or not, but whether it is consistently a quality means of communication.

If you say so…

If you say so…

John C., with all due respect, I think you miss the forest for the trees. While Steve might have phrased his “you should get a blog” comment better, his fundamental point still stands. Common courtesy is severely lacking here. Even if Scoble styles himself the “King of Bloggers”, there’s no excuse for the naked vitriol that’s spewed forth here. I’m not saying we should be stroking Scoble’s ego; disagreement is fine, but there’s a civil way to do it, and ad hominem attacks are just childish. You don’t walk around IRL screaming in people’s faces; at least, you don’t if your survival instincts are normal.

Anyway, this thread has worn itself out. I bid you adieu.

John C., with all due respect, I think you miss the forest for the trees. While Steve might have phrased his “you should get a blog” comment better, his fundamental point still stands. Common courtesy is severely lacking here. Even if Scoble styles himself the “King of Bloggers”, there’s no excuse for the naked vitriol that’s spewed forth here. I’m not saying we should be stroking Scoble’s ego; disagreement is fine, but there’s a civil way to do it, and ad hominem attacks are just childish. You don’t walk around IRL screaming in people’s faces; at least, you don’t if your survival instincts are normal.

Anyway, this thread has worn itself out. I bid you adieu.

Damon, I’m not screaming. not at all. But if you think somehow that in real life, (can we PLEASE just stop using TLA’s because we can?), that I’m somehow shy and retiring, um, no. Ask Dori Smith, or a few others who know me. I’ve no time to dance around people’s delusions or their need to confuse personal wants with reality. The real world’s pretty damned cool, but you gotta live in it before you can change it.

I also don’t walk around making passive - aggressive little attacks on people to create controversy, or constantly remind people about what my ranking on some memetracker site is. (I don’t know if I even am, I don’t see a point in things like Technorati or the like other than ego-stroking) If I meet someone cool, I don’t feel the need to drop their name in every post for a month. If I know something that’s NDA’d, you’ll never know, because I won’t even talk about knowing it, much less what it is.

Robert likes attention, he gets it. Seems like a win for him.

Damon, I’m not screaming. not at all. But if you think somehow that in real life, (can we PLEASE just stop using TLA’s because we can?), that I’m somehow shy and retiring, um, no. Ask Dori Smith, or a few others who know me. I’ve no time to dance around people’s delusions or their need to confuse personal wants with reality. The real world’s pretty damned cool, but you gotta live in it before you can change it.

I also don’t walk around making passive - aggressive little attacks on people to create controversy, or constantly remind people about what my ranking on some memetracker site is. (I don’t know if I even am, I don’t see a point in things like Technorati or the like other than ego-stroking) If I meet someone cool, I don’t feel the need to drop their name in every post for a month. If I know something that’s NDA’d, you’ll never know, because I won’t even talk about knowing it, much less what it is.

Robert likes attention, he gets it. Seems like a win for him.

Dump gallons of gasoline on the lawn, toss a lighted cig, well, you gotta expect some firefighters to show up. And you may think, it’s ‘mean’, ‘rude’, ‘a personal attack’ and ‘downright unpatriotic’ to point out that the Emperor Indeed Hath No Clothes, but here’s the other secret, since it generates sparks and heat, Scoble loves it. Still amazed at all the groupthink virtol, not surprised, just amazed.

As for doing a blog, I have my own reasons why not, reasons I feel not a need to share. Or you mean only those with blogs are allowed a voice?

you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter

No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

Dump gallons of gasoline on the lawn, toss a lighted cig, well, you gotta expect some firefighters to show up. And you may think, it’s ‘mean’, ‘rude’, ‘a personal attack’ and ‘downright unpatriotic’ to point out that the Emperor Indeed Hath No Clothes, but here’s the other secret, since it generates sparks and heat, Scoble loves it. Still amazed at all the groupthink virtol, not surprised, just amazed.

As for doing a blog, I have my own reasons why not, reasons I feel not a need to share. Or you mean only those with blogs are allowed a voice?

you have such a long way to go to be in the same class as Christopher Coulter

No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

OMG! And here I thought the bloggers licking each other’s asses was bad. Now the blog commentors are stroking each other’s egos. It’s a sad sad day when the commentors do what they are constantly accusing the bloggers of doing —- hating on the mainstream bloggers (substitute journalists), stroking each other’s egos, making wild irrational statements backed by nothing. Awesome! Who watches the watchmen?

No, rather, I have a long way to go to be in the same class as John and Gobbels, they are smarter and offer a differing perspective than I do. I am too flowerly screenwriterese, they are more real-world heavy substance.

OMG! And here I thought the bloggers licking each other’s asses was bad. Now the blog commentors are stroking each other’s egos. It’s a sad sad day when the commentors do what they are constantly accusing the bloggers of doing —- hating on the mainstream bloggers (substitute journalists), stroking each other’s egos, making wild irrational statements backed by nothing. Awesome! Who watches the watchmen?

In between Christopher Coulter’s attacks on those who he sees as “elistist” he does in fact make some good points. I was suggesting a blog as an outlet to better organize his arguments. Blogs are like therapy, that’s what I use mine for.

Come one Chris, let’s get this blog going, I will prove to you that you can be an even bigger voice than Robert Scoble as long as you can admit that you also are sometimes wrong.

In between Christopher Coulter’s attacks on those who he sees as “elistist” he does in fact make some good points. I was suggesting a blog as an outlet to better organize his arguments. Blogs are like therapy, that’s what I use mine for.

Come one Chris, let’s get this blog going, I will prove to you that you can be an even bigger voice than Robert Scoble as long as you can admit that you also are sometimes wrong.

Gratuitous Metablogging

I usually try to avoid the whole “blogging about blogging” thing, but there are a couple of good things that have popped through in the last couple of days that may be worth a look, if you’re into that sort