Live.com now supports Firefox

Still not working in Opera.

I emailed the start.com guys once about it, and I got the typical “we’re working on it.” He pointed me towards a post, which then led me to another post, which included a js that helped some but not completely. The author of the script discussed the script that was written and why. I’m no programmer, but it basically said that start.com was written around IE (duh) and if coded properly would work in Opera.

I send this information to the start.com contact. Got a “thanks” back. Pretty helpful they are.

Find it here…http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PatchingStartCom

For the description of the reasons why Safari and Opera doesn’t work look at:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/startcom/Blog/cns!1pTNqgeSRxwfEFK-lp62aiFQ!418.entry

It tells you precisely which features are missing from those browsers that prevent the site from working.

Well it may work in Firefox, but the mail beta does not, they really need to add that support! I have to switch to IE just to view my email…

Rather than show me all the neat stuff Microsoft can do, perhaps somebody could tell me why I need this. What does it do for me?

Yes there are all kinds of neat technology solutions that we could build. Drag and drop everything. But what problem is it solving? Or are we just throwing stuff together because we can?

AJAX used to alter a map that I am scrolling is cool. AJAX used to change a web page that I probably won’t change anyway seems a bit of a waste.

But it sure does look neat.

“It tells you precisely which features are missing from those browsers that prevent the site from working.”

Well, Google can do it, seemingly quite easier. So, does that mean that Google has the better programmers or that Microsoft just doesn’t bother satisfying all their customers?

But why do I need a hotmail account:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/iancooper/

The Live.com site seems like a cheap imitation of Netvibes ( http://www.netvibes.com ) to me or even Google’s “Personal homepage”.

RE: TooCool
>Why aren’t you speaking out against that?

’cause I never heard of it before? I think its silly too although given the current level of quality and adherence to web standards in IE6, I can understand it.

You didn’t address my assertion though. You tossed a straw man. If you don’t care about cross platform, why would you build a browser based app? It makes no sense.

A little objectivity would go a long way towards credibility here.

robert’s not after credibility, he’s too busy trying to be first.

>If you don’t care about cross platform, why would you build a browser based app?

Innocent: maybe we care about cross platform, but it’s #3 on our list of priorities. I can understand those of you who say it always belongs on #1. But, I can also see the point of those who see hundreds of millions of people who use IE and want to focus on that market first before going after the other hundreds of millions of people who use other browsers.

Are you going to use the new Canvas tag that Firefox just added? Why or why not?

Would you yell and scream about any Web app that only supported Firefox?

Robert, I can agree that sometimes group priorities require some tiering like that. But I’m hoping to see agreement among us all that every visitor needs a good experience — no blank pages, no unexpected failures for the time they invested in visiting.

If the schedule was too tight for anything but IE6+/Win or whatever, or if other browsers are still locked out, then that info should be presented upfront, right?

I mean, it’s a slight extra cost for the developer, but a *much* lower cost for the audience… right now what’s happening is that the frustrating user experience is polarizing the audience, making as many devangelists as evangelists.

Better and more timely info to unexpected visitors… can we agree that this is a better path…?

jd/mm

I find it interesting that only Microsoft has such problems supporting Firefox. Everyone else seems to be able to handle it. Maybe the live.com team should hire a second dev capable of writing code for !IE, so that way, if one’s sick, you can still get stuff done.

Of course, if MS spent half of the time getting stuff done, as they do justifying their half-assed approach to heterogeneous interoperability, they wouldn’t have these problems.

>Are you going to use the new Canvas tag that Firefox just added? Why or why not?

No, it reduces my audience which is much of the reason for doing the browser thing in the first place.

>Would you yell and scream about any Web app that only supported Firefox?

I hassle any developer who develops browser based apps that don’t adhere (as much as possible given the fairly crummy compliance of the browsers today) to web standards .

You seem to think this is all about you and your company. Its not. If you’re gonna play on the web (and by ‘you’ I mean anybody listening), play cross platform or get the hell off and write a proper desktop app.

Incidentally, I think MS’s avalon strategy and ActiveX are both equally stupid for this reason. MS either needs to develop runtimes that work equally well on macs and linux, or work with the w3c like the rest of us. To do otherwise makes MS a rotten citizen worthy of boycott on all levels.

Now you have my full exposition so there’s no more confusion here.

I spoke too soon on Canvas. After doing a little digging, I see that Safari and Firefox 1.5 implement the canvas tag. Its a cool tag. I’d like to use it. The thing preventing me from adopting it just now is lack of support for it in IE and FireFox 1.5 adoption rates. I can push the 1.5 thing but perhaps you can tell me just how long your company intends to leave us saddled with that boat anchor you call a web browser.

Now we see why monopolies are bad and regulation is sometimes necessary.

I agree with the majority here — this is just poor execution in the user experience field. Manage your visitor’s expectations UP — it’s like the same clue train the MSN people need to be on when they pop open a window that says “MSN video is not supported on your operating system” — come on! You expect me to believe the OS I use which plays like a gajillion media formats (and that’s just in one player and is covered by a few other players too) can’t at the very least talk simple to me?

The browser that passes the acid test does not get supported! LOL LOL

Bah, Live.com, Start.com…none of them can compete with Apple’s fearsome EULA NINJA TECHNOLOGY!!!!

NOW we see who is superior, and who shall QUAKE IN FEAR!!!!

everytime i use my yahoo search firefox stops and shuts down why? my wife has the same program with no problems