Mislead by Google’s map on way to Mind Camp

Yeah online maps are very unreliable. The Fedex and DHL guys always have a hard time finding my house, because google maps, Virtual Earth, Streets and Trips, and even Yahoo beta all have my sub division streets laid out incorrectly. When I say incorrectly I mean crazy…a cul de sac is actually a straight road and such. Unfortunitely Google didn’t want to do anything to fix it, neither did virtual earth, so maybe I’ll send some feedback to yahoo.

Yeah online maps are very unreliable. The Fedex and DHL guys always have a hard time finding my house, because google maps, Virtual Earth, Streets and Trips, and even Yahoo beta all have my sub division streets laid out incorrectly. When I say incorrectly I mean crazy…a cul de sac is actually a straight road and such. Unfortunitely Google didn’t want to do anything to fix it, neither did virtual earth, so maybe I’ll send some feedback to yahoo.

Brandon, can you send me an email? I’ll enter it as a bug on Virtual Earth.

Brandon, can you send me an email? I’ll enter it as a bug on Virtual Earth.

As much as I love looking at maps, sattelites, etc, Google Maps is not always so good for finding places. It also comes up with *really* odd directions sometimes. Mapquest is usually pretty good. But mapquest doesn’t have preeeety scrollable maps.

As much as I love looking at maps, sattelites, etc, Google Maps is not always so good for finding places. It also comes up with *really* odd directions sometimes. Mapquest is usually pretty good. But mapquest doesn’t have preeeety scrollable maps.

Almost forgot: my father’s been using Street Atlas USA (windows software) for I think close to ten years, and it’s always been pretty accurate in my memory.

Almost forgot: my father’s been using Street Atlas USA (windows software) for I think close to ten years, and it’s always been pretty accurate in my memory.

Funny, I was at mindcamp and I don’t think I saw you do anything but hang out in the common area surrounded by other MS employees sucking each others’ exhaust. Certainly didn’t see you bother to attend any sessions. Plus, looked like you were long gone by the Mech Turk presentation. Some of us stayed for the full camp. Some, I guess just like to say they were there.

Funny, I was at mindcamp and I don’t think I saw you do anything but hang out in the common area surrounded by other MS employees sucking each others’ exhaust. Certainly didn’t see you bother to attend any sessions. Plus, looked like you were long gone by the Mech Turk presentation. Some of us stayed for the full camp. Some, I guess just like to say they were there.

[...] Just got back from this weekend’s Seattle Mind Camp. Great opportunity to meet with a really interesting set of people. For good camp summaries see the Seattle PI’s Tood Bishop, Alex Barnett, and Robert Scoble. Photos at Flickr. [...]

Innocent: I was in the Mech Turk presentation. I was there from 10:30 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. with about an hour away for dinner. So was Buzz Bruggeman

Glad you were watching my every move. I even attended part of the Linux install fest.

Innocent: I was in the Mech Turk presentation. I was there from 10:30 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. with about an hour away for dinner. So was Buzz Bruggeman

Glad you were watching my every move. I even attended part of the Linux install fest.

Innocent: by the way, I was sitting in the middle of the room and I don’t remember having any Microsoft employees sitting near me. In fact, there are photographs of me out there: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/bishop/450PB050040.jpg

No Microsoft employees sitting there.

Innocent: by the way, I was sitting in the middle of the room and I don’t remember having any Microsoft employees sitting near me. In fact, there are photographs of me out there: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/bishop/450PB050040.jpg

No Microsoft employees sitting there.

Innocent, observe the fine gentleman leaning by the door in this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twleung/60678587/

Innocent, observe the fine gentleman leaning by the door in this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twleung/60678587/

Robert, any chance we could get you to point to the mindcamp1.0 tag for photos?

Technically, the address is S. 102nd st. They had the wrong address printed on the tickets.

Google maps still gets it wrong though. Old Yahoo maps does too. Didn’t try the new one. I wonder if they get it wrong because the address is on Boeing property. Don’t all of the buildings at MS campus map to “1 Microsoft way”?

Robert, any chance we could get you to point to the mindcamp1.0 tag for photos?

Technically, the address is S. 102nd st. They had the wrong address printed on the tickets.

Google maps still gets it wrong though. Old Yahoo maps does too. Didn’t try the new one. I wonder if they get it wrong because the address is on Boeing property. Don’t all of the buildings at MS campus map to “1 Microsoft way”?

Innocent, I was there too. I talked to Robert briefly but had to rush off to sessions. I’m no Softie.

Robert, Ahhhh. But is your Tablet dual-booting Windows and Ubuntu now? Were you surprised by how much easier the linux install is now than it was even a year ago?

Innocent, I was there too. I talked to Robert briefly but had to rush off to sessions. I’m no Softie.

Robert, Ahhhh. But is your Tablet dual-booting Windows and Ubuntu now? Were you surprised by how much easier the linux install is now than it was even a year ago?

Thanks Ted, I just added that!

Scott: I don’t know. I always use 1 Microsoft Way, which points to the front of the building I work at. Here: http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=adr.1%20Microsoft%20Way%2C%20Redmond%2C%20WA%2098052

I’ll have to get some addresses of some of our other buildings and see where it leads.

Thanks Ted, I just added that!

Scott: I don’t know. I always use 1 Microsoft Way, which points to the front of the building I work at. Here: http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=adr.1%20Microsoft%20Way%2C%20Redmond%2C%20WA%2098052

I’ll have to get some addresses of some of our other buildings and see where it leads.

Scott: no, I wouldn’t load Linux on my Tablet PC.

But, yes, they are making great strides. Personally if I weren’t a Tablet Fan, though, I wouldn’t be into Linux, I’d be a Mac user. I don’t like the fonts that the Linux machines have and the UI on the Mac is more my style.

Scott: no, I wouldn’t load Linux on my Tablet PC.

But, yes, they are making great strides. Personally if I weren’t a Tablet Fan, though, I wouldn’t be into Linux, I’d be a Mac user. I don’t like the fonts that the Linux machines have and the UI on the Mac is more my style.

Heh, Rand McNally still works. Not much more than $10 at Walmart.

All the geek tools and online maps and GPS gadgets in the world and they still get lost (or can’t give out the right address whatever), all going to a yet another circle-jerk wanking geek event, no less. Irony in that.

Street Atlas seems most accurate, followed by Mapquest. Then Yahoo, then Google (Google is crazy, wild goose chase maps), and lastly and most flubbed-up (nice UI tho) Street and Trips and Mappoint. I will never trust Steets and Trips, been lead astray way way too many times, the Microsoft map tools are pure evil incarnate.

Heh, Rand McNally still works. Not much more than $10 at Walmart.

All the geek tools and online maps and GPS gadgets in the world and they still get lost (or can’t give out the right address whatever), all going to a yet another circle-jerk wanking geek event, no less. Irony in that.

Street Atlas seems most accurate, followed by Mapquest. Then Yahoo, then Google (Google is crazy, wild goose chase maps), and lastly and most flubbed-up (nice UI tho) Street and Trips and Mappoint. I will never trust Steets and Trips, been lead astray way way too many times, the Microsoft map tools are pure evil incarnate.

Robert,

Thanks. One thing though. You pointed to my mindcamp1.0 tag, not the whole public one -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mindcamp10

Robert,

Thanks. One thing though. You pointed to my mindcamp1.0 tag, not the whole public one -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mindcamp10

Yeah, I noticed the same thing about Google and Yahoo maps pointing to the wrong place. I like the GPS with Streets & Trips because that can at least get me in the right vicinity, but even that leads one astray sometimes

The most accurate directions came from Andru on his blog and even he complained about the various mapping software before the event started.

Thomas Guides for the local area provide some pretty decent maps too.

As for Scoble being in sessions or not, he dropped in about 30 minutes in and sat next to me (for a few brief minutes) at the Ruby on Rails session, so I can vouch for him there. Also saw him in the doorway for the Mechanical Turk session.

And no, I wasn’t watching his every move, either, he just happened to be sitting about 10 feet in front of me (different table) in the commons area (I was there before him, not vice versa) and we bumped into each other a couple other times like near that cool red electric car in the lobby.

Funny thing Buzz said leaving the Turk session: “I don’t understand that.”

Jeff had some problems accepting HITs because others were gobbling them up. I wonder if they will provide some sort of locking view by session so that workers can actually have enough time to read the HIT before it is gobbled up by somebody else? Might make more sense to read oldest to newest for those actually interested in being a HIT worker (doubtful anybody reading this will be).

Yeah, I noticed the same thing about Google and Yahoo maps pointing to the wrong place. I like the GPS with Streets & Trips because that can at least get me in the right vicinity, but even that leads one astray sometimes

The most accurate directions came from Andru on his blog and even he complained about the various mapping software before the event started.

Thomas Guides for the local area provide some pretty decent maps too.

As for Scoble being in sessions or not, he dropped in about 30 minutes in and sat next to me (for a few brief minutes) at the Ruby on Rails session, so I can vouch for him there. Also saw him in the doorway for the Mechanical Turk session.

And no, I wasn’t watching his every move, either, he just happened to be sitting about 10 feet in front of me (different table) in the commons area (I was there before him, not vice versa) and we bumped into each other a couple other times like near that cool red electric car in the lobby.

Funny thing Buzz said leaving the Turk session: “I don’t understand that.”

Jeff had some problems accepting HITs because others were gobbling them up. I wonder if they will provide some sort of locking view by session so that workers can actually have enough time to read the HIT before it is gobbled up by somebody else? Might make more sense to read oldest to newest for those actually interested in being a HIT worker (doubtful anybody reading this will be).

Could be timing - everytime I wandered through the main room, Scoble was in exactly the same place I saw him before. Of course, I was usually in various sessions so I certainly wasn’t watching his every move. But I did notice that everytime I looked at where Scoble sat he was “still there”.

Could be timing - everytime I wandered through the main room, Scoble was in exactly the same place I saw him before. Of course, I was usually in various sessions so I certainly wasn’t watching his every move. But I did notice that everytime I looked at where Scoble sat he was “still there”.

Innocent: I didn’t realize there was a rule that said I had to attend sessions. FooCamp didn’t have such a rule. BarCamp didn’t have such a rule.

Innocent: I didn’t realize there was a rule that said I had to attend sessions. FooCamp didn’t have such a rule. BarCamp didn’t have such a rule.

There’s no rules, if you don’t want to engage, don’t. But then you’re not really a ‘participant’, you’re an observer. Kind of a different role than you paint for yourself I think.

But hey, I’m just a guy who writes code. Why do you care what I think?

There’s no rules, if you don’t want to engage, don’t. But then you’re not really a ‘participant’, you’re an observer. Kind of a different role than you paint for yourself I think.

But hey, I’m just a guy who writes code. Why do you care what I think?

Sent you that email Scoble, thanks for taking it up!

Sent you that email Scoble, thanks for taking it up!

While Robert may not have hit up multiple sessions, I have to say one of the highlights of the day for me was a fantastic discussion I had with Robert, Buzz, and a handful of my good buddies on the topic of getting older folks into video games (something I think about daily for the product I work on).

THAT was what I came to Mindcamp for… sure, the sessions were great, but I can’t think of any other scenario where such an exchange could’ve taken place.

It was spontaneous, insightful, and got me thinking about a lot of things I hadn’t considered before.

Had he been busy in a session, it wouldn’t have happened, so I think his availablity and willingness to chat with people was a feature, not a bug

While Robert may not have hit up multiple sessions, I have to say one of the highlights of the day for me was a fantastic discussion I had with Robert, Buzz, and a handful of my good buddies on the topic of getting older folks into video games (something I think about daily for the product I work on).

THAT was what I came to Mindcamp for… sure, the sessions were great, but I can’t think of any other scenario where such an exchange could’ve taken place.

It was spontaneous, insightful, and got me thinking about a lot of things I hadn’t considered before.

Had he been busy in a session, it wouldn’t have happened, so I think his availablity and willingness to chat with people was a feature, not a bug

>But then you’re not really a ‘participant’, you’re an observer.

Well, maybe I was just holding my own session there, no? The conversation was certainly interesting. I learned a lot. I found out about Second Life from an employee, for instance. I don’t remember seeing a session on that.

But, glad you think I wasn’t participating. Again, I didn’t realize there were any rules for participating. Sorry I didn’t get the memo.

>But then you’re not really a ‘participant’, you’re an observer.

Well, maybe I was just holding my own session there, no? The conversation was certainly interesting. I learned a lot. I found out about Second Life from an employee, for instance. I don’t remember seeing a session on that.

But, glad you think I wasn’t participating. Again, I didn’t realize there were any rules for participating. Sorry I didn’t get the memo.

Scoble, I believe you meant to say “Misled by Google’s map …” in your headline.

I should nitpick, I know, but this is becoming a pet peeve of mine. Today I saw a public monument that *twice* used the word “lead” where it should have read “led.”

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/lead.html

Scoble, I believe you meant to say “Misled by Google’s map …” in your headline.

I should nitpick, I know, but this is becoming a pet peeve of mine. Today I saw a public monument that *twice* used the word “lead” where it should have read “led.”

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/lead.html

Of course, nobody’s perfect.

I meant to say “I shouldn’t nitpick.”

Of course, nobody’s perfect.

I meant to say “I shouldn’t nitpick.”

Robert, just as a FYI, your Virtual Earth link points to “S 102nd St, Seattle, WA 98168″ when you do a Google map search for that, it works:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=S+102nd+St+Seattle,+WA+98168&iwloc=A&hl=en

Robert, just as a FYI, your Virtual Earth link points to “S 102nd St, Seattle, WA 98168″ when you do a Google map search for that, it works:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=S+102nd+St+Seattle,+WA+98168&iwloc=A&hl=en

James: yes, but you didn’t follow the directions. Go back and try the directions again.

Virtual Earth turns the incorrect address into the correct one.

Google turned it into an even more incorrect one and didn’t warn me.

James: yes, but you didn’t follow the directions. Go back and try the directions again.

Virtual Earth turns the incorrect address into the correct one.

Google turned it into an even more incorrect one and didn’t warn me.

Robert,

I’ve got an account in Second Life. I don’t use it all that much, though - turns out RL is better. But there’s some pretty interesting stuff going on in there: Make Magazine has its own piece of land, for instance. (Last time I checked, they were showing RocketBoom on the TV screens in-world). And the economy is pretty interesting, too.

These guys have a nice blog if you’re trying to grok SL:

http://www.idealworldmovie.com/footage/

Introductory movie here:

http://www.idealworldmovie.com/short/

Robert,

I’ve got an account in Second Life. I don’t use it all that much, though - turns out RL is better. But there’s some pretty interesting stuff going on in there: Make Magazine has its own piece of land, for instance. (Last time I checked, they were showing RocketBoom on the TV screens in-world). And the economy is pretty interesting, too.

These guys have a nice blog if you’re trying to grok SL:

http://www.idealworldmovie.com/footage/

Introductory movie here:

http://www.idealworldmovie.com/short/

Robert, I did follow directions…I was just pointing that out, because you should have linked to the same one for all 3 sites to show that point.

Robert, I did follow directions…I was just pointing that out, because you should have linked to the same one for all 3 sites to show that point.

James: I did. You’re not getting the point.

If you put the original MindCamp address in all three you get different results.

I STARTED WITH THE ORIGINAL MIND CAMP ADDRESS.

You’re not listening.

James: I did. You’re not getting the point.

If you put the original MindCamp address in all three you get different results.

I STARTED WITH THE ORIGINAL MIND CAMP ADDRESS.

You’re not listening.

On all three services I started with this address, not with the one you see on Google:

2811 102nd Street Seattle WA 98168

On all three services I started with this address, not with the one you see on Google:

2811 102nd Street Seattle WA 98168

[...] Mislead by Google’s map on way to Mind Camp (Scobleizer - Microsoft Geek Blogger) watch out for weird american variants of street names - google maps auto-corrects sometimes when you don’t want it to. [...]

Haha Robert. I am listening. I do get the point. I understand fully that you started with “2811 102nd Street Seattle WA 98168.” ***AND*** I do understand that Google changed it to the incorrect one ***AND*** that Google did not even notify you of the change. I also understand the same with Yahoo! except that Yahoo! notified you. ***MY POINT*** was that your hotlink above was incorrect. Here is the link you provide:

http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=adr.S%20102nd%20St%2C%20Seattle%2C%20WA%2098168

This was for “Virtual Earth takes you to the right address.”

Clearly your link was incorrect, because you just said “On all three services I started with this address, not with the one you see on Google:” However, your hotlink was pointed to “S 102nd St, Seattle, WA 98168″

I wasn’t trying to argue with you, but apparently that’s how you read it. I was simply pointing something out. AND I understand that wasn’t the point of your entry, but I was just noting that it should have been:

http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=2811%20102nd%20Street%2C%20Seattle%2C%20WA%2098168

where we could have seen VE find the correct address.

Haha Robert. I am listening. I do get the point. I understand fully that you started with “2811 102nd Street Seattle WA 98168.” ***AND*** I do understand that Google changed it to the incorrect one ***AND*** that Google did not even notify you of the change. I also understand the same with Yahoo! except that Yahoo! notified you. ***MY POINT*** was that your hotlink above was incorrect. Here is the link you provide:

http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=adr.S%20102nd%20St%2C%20Seattle%2C%20WA%2098168

This was for “Virtual Earth takes you to the right address.”

Clearly your link was incorrect, because you just said “On all three services I started with this address, not with the one you see on Google:” However, your hotlink was pointed to “S 102nd St, Seattle, WA 98168″

I wasn’t trying to argue with you, but apparently that’s how you read it. I was simply pointing something out. AND I understand that wasn’t the point of your entry, but I was just noting that it should have been:

http://virtualearth.msn.com/?sp=2811%20102nd%20Street%2C%20Seattle%2C%20WA%2098168

where we could have seen VE find the correct address.